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Texas GOP calls for referendum on secession

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On Texas seceding from the U.S.: "We urge the Texas Legislature to pass bill in its next session requiring a referendum in the 2023 general election for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation."

www.houstonchronicle.com

GOP wants Texans to vote on secession from U.S. — plus 6 other takeaways from the party's convention

Thousands gathered for the 2022 Texas State Republican Convention to discuss abortion, gun rights and more.
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This is not to be confused with the Texas GOP's other resolution rejecting a democratic election, or their resolution calling LGB lifestyles abnormal. They are on a roll this week.
 
joluoto said:
Easier to become a dictatorship if you are not a part of another country, I guess.
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I love living in Austin during the cold half of the year, and I hope I never have to leave because Texas does something insane like try to secede. But if they ever got their wish and became an independent country, Texas would be an authoritarian rogue state within a few years. But with lots more guns.
 
There are not enough popular votes in TX that favor secession to pass such legislation. However, they can always use the kinds of methodology being attempted by Rep/cons across the nation to take away the pop vote and put such power in the hands of the legislators and other office holders, such as the sec of state. For a state to take action consistent with succession would, logically, mean a war btx TX and the US. Then there's the only nuclear weapons assembly and disassembly facility in the US, located near Amarillo, besides all other fed property and facility.

TX is just really obsessed with saber rattling and puffing out their chest. Not gonna happen. Though they could pass a non-binding secession in the legislature or pass something that takes them an actual step in the direction of secession. This has always been a TX thing. Like "seceding" from the national elec grid.
 
Loulit01 said:

No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite a popular myth. Here's why.​

www.houstonchronicle.com

No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite a popular myth. Here's why.

The theme of independence has recurred throughout the history of Texas, which was an independent republic from 1836 to 1845.
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No, all the states joined the Union freely, which means they can leave it freely.

Any argument that says otherwise, is just made up propaganda.

The Washington elite fear the erosion of their power, and so the real determiner is if any state that is ready to secede must also be ready for war.
 
FurriesRock said:
No, all the states joined the Union freely, which means they can leave it freely.

Any argument that says otherwise, is just made up propaganda.

The Washington elite fear the erosion of their power, and so the real determiner is if any state that is ready to secede must also be ready for war.
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Nonsense...

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.[8]

Texas v. White - Wikipedia

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BlueTex said:
Nonsense...

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.[8]

Texas v. White - Wikipedia

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Who declared the relation indissoluble, oh yeah, Washington!

It doesn't matter what some random Judge said, it only matters if they can enforce it, it only matters if they win the war.

Technically, our independence from Britain was illegal also, yet here we are, all independent.
 
FurriesRock said:
Who declared the relation indissoluble, oh yeah, Washington!

It doesn't matter what some random Judge said, it only matters if they can enforce it, it only matters if they win the war.

Technically, our independence from Britain was illegal also, yet here we are, all independent.
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LMAO... Chief Justice Salmon Chase was the chief justice of the supreme court... He CLEARLY says in the opinion there are only two options: agreement from the states and revolution..
 
We can go on for quite some time citing what this or that person said about the possibility of a secession of a state from the United States of America and what it would entail.

At day's end, though, we will not know what the actuality will be . . . until it occurs.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
 
I say if they want to leave, AND Congress votes to allow them, they should be able to leave. Same way a state can be admitted or partitioned.
 
Torus34 said:
We can go on for quite some time citing what this or that person said about the possibility of a secession of a state from the United States of America and what it would entail.

At day's end, though, we will not know what the actuality will be . . . until it occurs.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
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It was already attempted and failed.. We have supreme court rulings on the legality of states seceding... Texas v. White is precisely about this very matter...
 
FurriesRock said:
Who declared the relation indissoluble, oh yeah, Washington!

It doesn't matter what some random Judge said, it only matters if they can enforce it, it only matters if they win the war.

Technically, our independence from Britain was illegal also, yet here we are, all independent.
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When Texas is burned to the ground and all it's inhabitants are exiled to Mexico, it will have mattered what some "random" judges say in Washington.
 
Confederates
 
Gatsby said:
This is not to be confused with the Texas GOP's other resolution rejecting a democratic election, or their resolution calling LGB lifestyles abnormal. They are on a roll this week.
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Seems the Texas legislature has gone off the rails straight into the deep end. They haven’t thought out what they are trying to do. Their people would no longer be eligible for Social Security benefits after they retire and the state will have to provide all the money currently provided by the federal government.

The federal government would also need to move any military bases out of Texas, along with NASA installation’s .
 
MTAtech said:
Seems the Texas legislature has gone off the rails straight into the deep end. They haven’t thought out what they are trying to do. Their people would no longer be eligible for Social Security benefits after they retire and the state will have to provide all the money currently provided by the federal government.

The federal government would also need to move any military bases out of Texas, along with NASA installation’s .
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They know it will never happen... They like it as a talking point..
 
MTAtech said:
Seems the Texas legislature has gone off the rails straight into the deep end. They haven’t thought out what they are trying to do. Their people would no longer be eligible for Social Security benefits after they retire and the state will have to provide all the money currently provided by the federal government.

The federal government would also need to move any military bases out of Texas, along with NASA installation’s .
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But they would be free to dump oil in their rivers.
 
BlueTex said:
They know it will never happen... They like it as a talking point..
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That's what they said about Brexit. Although, with Texas it's much harder.
 
highroller said:
That's what they said about Brexit. Although, with Texas it's much harder.
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Do you honestly believe the other states would vote to allow Texas to leave the union? If Texas did leave, the GQP will never hold the presidency again.. ALL 38 electoral votes from Texas would go away...
 
The choice isn't solely up to Texas, as they cannot unilaterally withdraw. However, I guess it is possible to negotiate a withdrawal with Congressional approval (which won't happen). But there are many areas that would have to be negotiated such as:
  • Establishing a timeline for withdrawal.
  • Relinquishing US Citizenship as people assume citizenship in the Republic of Texas (ROT).
  • ROT establishing it's own currency.
  • Transfer of mobile Federal property (including military hardware) out or ROT or the sale of such property on the open market if the ROT does not want to buy it.
  • Transfer of fixed federal property to ROT.
  • Data transfer of all federal data and computer system software out of ROT.
  • ROT assumption of their portion of the national debt on a proportional basis to population.
WW
 
WorldWatcher said:
The choice isn't solely up to Texas, as they cannot unilaterally withdraw. However, I guess it is possible to negotiate a withdrawal with Congressional approval (which won't happen). But there are many areas that would have to be negotiated such as:
  • Establishing a timeline for withdrawal.
  • Relinquishing US Citizenship as people assume citizenship in the Republic of Texas (ROT).
  • ROT establishing it's own currency.
  • Transfer of mobile Federal property (including military hardware) out or ROT or the sale of such property on the open market if the ROT does not want to buy it.
  • Transfer of fixed federal property to ROT.
  • Data transfer of all federal data and computer system software out of ROT.
  • ROT assumption of their portion of the national debt on a proportional basis to population.
WW
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But you're a logical and a mature and a detailed person who thinks things through.

Texas Republicans are just talking junk to inflame the base.
 
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