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7/10/18
SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Tesla Inc Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk on Tuesday landed a deal with Chinese authorities to build a new auto plant in Shanghai, its first factory outside the United States, that would double the size of the electric car maker’s global manufacturing. The deal was announced as Tesla raised prices on U.S.-made vehicles it sells in China to offset the cost of new tariffs imposed by the Chinese government in retaliation for U.S. President Donald Trump’s heavier duties on Chinese goods. Musk was in Shanghai Tuesday, and the Shanghai government in a statement said it welcomed Tesla’s move to invest not only in a new factory in the city, a center of the Chinese auto industry, but in research and development, as well. China has long pushed to capture more of the talent and capital invested by global automakers in advanced electric vehicle technology. Tesla plans to produce the first cars about two years after construction begins on its Shanghai factory, ramping up to as many as 500,000 vehicles a year about two to three years later, the company said. That would make Tesla’s Shanghai plant large by auto industry standards, where most factories are tooled to build 200,000 to 300,000 vehicles a year, and roughly equivalent to the planned annual production at Tesla’s plant in Fremont, California.
Tesla shares rose 1.5 percent in U.S. trading even as some analysts questioned where the money-losing company will get the capital required to build and staff such a large plant. Musk has said Tesla will be cash-flow positive this year. Analysts have predicted it will raise capital to fund a list of new projects, including launching an electric semi truck, a pickup truck, a compact SUV and new battery and vehicle production facilities that Musk has proposed for China and Europe. China is the largest market for electric vehicles, and most forecasters predict that electric vehicle sales in the country will accelerate rapidly as government regulation drives toward a goal of 100-percent electric vehicles by 2030. More than 28 million vehicles were sold in China last year, and annual sales are forecast to top 35 million by 2025. That would be more than double the current U.S. market, where new light vehicle sales run at about 17 million vehicles a year. Chinese authorities’ decision to grant Tesla permission to move forward lands as President Trump is fighting to stop U.S. manufacturers from responding to his trade policy by shifting production overseas, as U.S. motorcycle maker Harley-Davidson Inc said it would do last month.
Tesla goes big in China with Shanghai plant
I wonder if Mr. Trump will browbeat and threaten Elon Musk as he did with Harley-Davidson.
Related: Musk clinches agreement with Shanghai on assembly plant
I wonder who will own and operate Tesla two years from now. Musk might some day figure out how to operate a real car company at a profit, but I am not holding my breath.
China is my best guess once they have access to (and control of?) Musk's technology and production methods they will make "Setla's" in China for less than Musk can make Tesla's (after they kick him out).
China is my best guess once they have access to (and control of?) Musk's technology and production methods they will make "Setla's" in China for less than Musk can make Tesla's (after they kick him out).
China already has better production methods for cars than what Tesla has. Considering the number of joint ventures it has with nearly every major automaker in the world.
The only thing Tesla would have to offer China that it does not have is potentially Tesla's battery technology, which will be outdated in a few years as solid state batteries come on line
We dont know yet that Tesla Manufacturing is not a better idea. With as ossified as the geniuses have become generally and auto manufacturing geniuses in particular here there is a decent chance that Musk is on to something by going for new in car building. He sure was in product design, he is the Steve Jobs of car design for example.
It is building a car, China built over 21 million of them last year. Using methods from Japanese, Korean, German, American, French and domestic Chinese processes. Given Tesla's problems getting their production up to desired levels I doubt they have a radical new manufacturing process. They may have a good design that makes manufacturing easy (falcon doors say no to that)
Unlike the Model S, Hochholdinger said the Model 3 was designed from the outset to be easy to assemble, and that "manufacturing people are involved in the whole design phase."
Maybe you noticed this:
Peter Hochholdinger, the ex-Audi executive who Tesla hired to manage car production in May 2016
https://www.greencarreports.com/new...g-chief-has-a-lot-on-his-plate-model-3-mostly
Course what they got was "Production Hell", which has to go down as a loss.
All major makers design for ease of manufacture. Tesla has the advantage of not requiring an engine and associated parts which makes that part easy. But that is common in all pure electric cars
Super, but when you talk about TESLA designing cars that are easy to build we are comparing TESLA to other E Cars. And lets be clear, Tesla is building E Cars much differently than others are building E Cars from what I have read....the other manufacturers are taking what they did for regular cars and transferring it over, where as Musk said "What if we start from nothing and build the best practice for E CARS"...Tesla may have netted something of value that can be sold if Tesla goes Tits Up under Musk.
Jag now has a Suv designed from the start as a pure EC with the benefits of that. Porsche will have one in a couple of years. GM has done concept cars for pure EV vehicles for decades. What Tesla has done is not rocket science. The only thing that would allow Tesla to stand apart is battery technology and perhaps their supercharger network.
Google GM Skateboard and you would see a platform for pure Evs that GM designed in 2010. Major companies have not produced EVs because the market has not been there. Not because they can't. Put VWs engineers behind an EV project and they will come out with a very good EV that has been designed for ease of manufacture.
That is why Tesla is way overvalued it has been first to produce a good EV but it has not made money and will have difficulty in getting money to develop the next gen of Evs. Especially as its tax rebate of approx $5000 per vehicle goes away very soon. If I recall correctly the third quarter.
I would short Tesla stock if you could afford the margin calls if required
Tesla goes big in China with Shanghai plant
I wonder if Mr. Trump will browbeat and threaten Elon Musk as he did with Harley-Davidson.
Related: Musk clinches agreement with Shanghai on assembly plant
China already has better production methods for cars than what Tesla has. Considering the number of joint ventures it has with nearly every major automaker in the world.
The only thing Tesla would have to offer China that it does not have is potentially Tesla's battery technology, which will be outdated in a few years as solid state batteries come on line
I have a long record of not liking Tesla or Musk, but I am coming around a little on Musk, though like most Modern Morons he is reckless which always makes me question my own judgement thinking that maybe he is a good something or another.
But let me run this past you....Given what we know about China's now very long record of either stealing or buying or just demanding and getting tech in order to rebirth the Chinese Empire wouldn't they buy the Tesla Scraps just to make sure that Musk was not on to something?
Trade money for a real close look under the hood?
They could have paid for the plant just to piss Trump off.
I doubt there is much to learn from a Tesla car that a detailed tear down would not provide. Or they could be trying to create an area for foreign tech start up in area to attract other US tech companies. With tightening US immigration even for skilled workers having sites out of the US that ca have masses of skilled workers will be important for tech companies and Shanghai is a great city in which to be in. Modern, clean and huge a great place for tech workers to live
I think I am done but it was nice conversating with you. Tesla keeps coming up around here, as does Musk generally, we are likely to meet again to take up this subject again.
Good Day 2 U Lord T
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