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Tesla goes big in China with Shanghai plant

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Tesla goes big in China with Shanghai plant




I wonder if Mr. Trump will browbeat and threaten Elon Musk as he did with Harley-Davidson.

Related: Musk clinches agreement with Shanghai on assembly plant
 
well, since Tesla automobiles don't burn coal I suppose Trump already hates them; now Trump will just piss all over Musk & Tesla, telling everyone that the company is in bed with 'commies' all while Trump was elected by 'commies' ...........

what a wonderful world ..........
 
I wonder who will own and operate Tesla two years from now. Musk might some day figure out how to operate a real car company at a profit, but I am not holding my breath.

China is my best guess once they have access to (and control of?) Musk's technology and production methods they will make "Setla's" in China for less than Musk can make Tesla's (after they kick him out).
 
China is my best guess once they have access to (and control of?) Musk's technology and production methods they will make "Setla's" in China for less than Musk can make Tesla's (after they kick him out).

That is a very good guess.
 
Oh ****ttttt... I guess wallstreet shoulda took Elon serious when he said Tesla now gone full on factory corporate with 5,000 cars in 1 week. They scoffed instead.
 
China is my best guess once they have access to (and control of?) Musk's technology and production methods they will make "Setla's" in China for less than Musk can make Tesla's (after they kick him out).

China already has better production methods for cars than what Tesla has. Considering the number of joint ventures it has with nearly every major automaker in the world.

The only thing Tesla would have to offer China that it does not have is potentially Tesla's battery technology, which will be outdated in a few years as solid state batteries come on line
 

We dont know yet that Tesla Manufacturing is not a better idea. With as ossified as the geniuses have become generally and auto manufacturing geniuses in particular here there is a decent chance that Musk is on to something by going for new in car building. He sure was in product design, he is the Steve Jobs of car design for example.
 
People are noticing that Musk says nothing about how this gets paid for......there is a rumor that the Chinese will pay for it.....which if true makes me concerned about what all they think they are buying.
 
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I already looked into getting an electric car, the maintenance is negligible but the battery only last for approximately 160 000km's and replacement cost currently is $15,000. If they half the battery cost I'm in, save tons on fuel. If the Australian government reduce our yearly car registration fees for electric cars even better, I currently pay over A$700 per year just to keep my car on the road, ridiculous.
 

It is building a car, China built over 21 million of them last year. Using methods from Japanese, Korean, German, American, French and domestic Chinese processes. Given Tesla's problems getting their production up to desired levels I doubt they have a radical new manufacturing process. They may have a good design that makes manufacturing easy (falcon doors say no to that)
 

Maybe you noticed this:

Unlike the Model S, Hochholdinger said the Model 3 was designed from the outset to be easy to assemble, and that "manufacturing people are involved in the whole design phase."

Peter Hochholdinger, the ex-Audi executive who Tesla hired to manage car production in May 2016

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...g-chief-has-a-lot-on-his-plate-model-3-mostly

Course what they got was "Production Hell", which has to go down as a loss.
 

All major makers design for ease of manufacture. Tesla has the advantage of not requiring an engine and associated parts which makes that part easy. But that is common in all pure electric cars
 
All major makers design for ease of manufacture. Tesla has the advantage of not requiring an engine and associated parts which makes that part easy. But that is common in all pure electric cars

Super, but when you talk about TESLA designing cars that are easy to build we are comparing TESLA to other E Cars. And lets be clear, Tesla is building E Cars much differently than others are building E Cars from what I have read....the other manufacturers are taking what they did for regular cars and transferring it over, where as Musk said "What if we start from nothing and build the best practice for E CARS"...Tesla may have netted something of value that can be sold if Tesla goes Tits Up under Musk.
 

Jag now has a Suv designed from the start as a pure EC with the benefits of that. Porsche will have one in a couple of years. GM has done concept cars for pure EV vehicles for decades. What Tesla has done is not rocket science. The only thing that would allow Tesla to stand apart is battery technology and perhaps their supercharger network.

Google GM Skateboard and you would see a platform for pure Evs that GM designed in 2010. Major companies have not produced EVs because the market has not been there. Not because they can't. Put VWs engineers behind an EV project and they will come out with a very good EV that has been designed for ease of manufacture.

That is why Tesla is way overvalued it has been first to produce a good EV but it has not made money and will have difficulty in getting money to develop the next gen of Evs. Especially as its tax rebate of approx $5000 per vehicle goes away very soon. If I recall correctly the third quarter.

I would short Tesla stock if you could afford the margin calls if required
 
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I have a long record of not liking Tesla or Musk, but I am coming around a little on Musk, though like most Modern Morons he is reckless which always makes me question my own judgement thinking that maybe he is a good something or another.

But let me run this past you....Given what we know about China's now very long record of either stealing or buying or just demanding and getting tech in order to rebirth the Chinese Empire wouldn't they buy the Tesla Scraps just to make sure that Musk was not on to something?

Trade money for a real close look under the hood?
 

Elon's image backing up their wing is also a boon.
 

They could have paid for the plant just to piss Trump off.

I doubt there is much to learn from a Tesla car that a detailed tear down would not provide. Or they could be trying to create an area for foreign tech start up in area to attract other US tech companies. With tightening US immigration even for skilled workers having sites out of the US that ca have masses of skilled workers will be important for tech companies and Shanghai is a great city in which to be in. Modern, clean and huge a great place for tech workers to live
 

I think I am done but it was nice conversating with you. Tesla keeps coming up around here, as does Musk generally, we are likely to meet again to take up this subject again.

Good Day 2 U Lord T
 
I think I am done but it was nice conversating with you. Tesla keeps coming up around here, as does Musk generally, we are likely to meet again to take up this subject again.

Good Day 2 U Lord T

Same

I like Musk but think Tesla is way overhyped
 
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