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If Cruz wants to create another shutdown then more power to him. That's what his constituents want.
That's fine. First thing to be cut can be Ted Cruz's paycheck. Or to be fair, we'll just cut off all of Congress.
So let me get this straight. If I max my credit cards and the credit card company doesn't raise my limit, I'm a deadbeat because I won't have money to pay the bills. However, if the credit card company raises my limit and I use it to pay my bills, that is responsible?
I can see where you're coming from but trying to discuss the issue within this framework is troublesome.
The finances of a nation and the finances of a family are two very, very different things and in the same way as when the kitchen table analogy comes up, I have to say it's just not helpful.
The US has one of the most diverse and complex economies in the world and regardless of what the far right wing may think the economy is as dependent on government decisions as the government is dependent on the private sector to spur growth and provide it with a tax base.
I understand people are upset about spending, it is mental BUT slapdash decisions like unilaterally stopping the raising of the debt ceiling would **** everything so hard it'll make 2008 seems like a blip on the radar.
No, deadbeats don't pay their bills when they come due.
I'm well aware of the complexities and that it isn't equal, however the concept is still valid. The spending is out of control and the accountability is crap.
The problem is there is NEVER a good time to bring up reduced spending with the party in power. The only time the party in power (This has been decades in the making) ever takes time to listen is when they are forced to. Otherwise it just gets ignored.
You righties are funny. You seem to worry about debt only when Democrats has the white house. And just to be fair it is the same with democrats.
Every time spending cuts are brought up, they are always aimed at government programs, programs that are intended to help people.
The problem is there is NEVER a good time to bring up reduced spending with the party in power. The only time the party in power (This has been decades in the making) ever takes time to listen is when they are forced to. Otherwise it just gets ignored.
The biggest problem is not tackling it, it's political will.
These kinds of things take a 10-15 year coherent plan to get under control and begin to pay back.
But there's no political points to be scored in such an arrangement, therefore it doesn't get done, just lip service done to solutions that sound good to certain blocs of voters but will never get passed by Congress and which will do more harm than good even if it did.
Since no congress is ever tied to the policies of a past congress, that type of plan is nearly impossible. Therefore, you have either constant increased debt or something needs to happen. Given the rate of the debt increases, I think something needs to be done now.
I can see where you're coming from but trying to discuss the issue within this framework is troublesome.
The finances of a nation and the finances of a family are two very, very different things and in the same way as when the kitchen table analogy comes up, I have to say it's just not helpful.
The US has one of the most diverse and complex economies in the world and regardless of what the far right wing may think the economy is as dependent on government decisions as the government is dependent on the private sector to spur growth and provide it with a tax base.
I understand people are upset about spending, it is mental BUT slapdash decisions like unilaterally stopping the raising of the debt ceiling would **** everything so hard it'll make 2008 seems like a blip on the radar.
And that is the flaw in the GOP. The programs don't need to be cut, but they need heavy reforms and accountability to them. There is so much waste and fraud in these and even the military programs.
I can understand the frustration man, but kneejerk solutions will only make things worse at this moment in time.
So let me get this straight. If I max my credit cards and the credit card company doesn't raise my limit, I'm a deadbeat because I won't have money to pay the bills. However, if the credit card company raises my limit and I use it to pay my bills, that is responsible?
Comparing the United States federal government to your credit card bill is hilariously stupid.
Thinking we can just continue the spending we are doing now is more idiotic.
Nobody has proposed that.
Thats what i was getting at. As far as it goes the vast majority of Texans are going to vote for this nut case. Battleground Texas is mainly focusing on the Governor race and some districts they think they can get now and slowly pick away later.
Heh, love it when the nut cases on the left hates someone on the right, it means they're representing the people who voted for them.
Works both ways, when the nut cases on the right complain about Pelosi, Reid, and Obama than I guess according to you it means THEY are representing the people that voted for them.
No, deadbeats don't pay their bills when they come due.
While I won't say he's on the brink of irrelevancy I do think Cruz needs to sit this one out. There's a fine line between standing on principle and being a pest. The jackals who control both parties are gonna do as they please. Just have to wait til Nov to see if the cavalry will arrive...Best to bunker down, take cover, and pick battles that you know you'll win...
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