Harry Guerrilla
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Teachers, fireman and police don't feel the effects of reality? Seriously?
Not the broad economic reality the rest of us have to face.
I've had to deal with shorter work hours with reductions in pay and no guaranteed golden parachute retirement.
Yea, they are out of the mainstream when it comes to compensation.
the 'misery loves company' reply of the envious
so, having insufficient teachers to educate the next generation in a globally competitive environment is ok with you
as is not having enough firemen on call to respond to those emergencies
and since no one worries about crime during an economic downturn, in your estimation, eliminating a sizable portion of the police force is an excellent idea
ready - post - think ... not the correct order to express oneself and still be found credible
so, you were too unqualified for one of those high-paying teacher, fireman or police positions?!
If your pension lost a lot of money i nthe market slide, you are not on a public pension. Public pensions are guaranteed regardless of investment performance.
Envious, nah.
Resentful you bet, the inferior education that is provided isn't worth what it costs.
Don't worry, we're already on a path to lose our educational competitiveness as it is.
No, I'm realistic.
When people borrow money in my name to save bloated employment sectors.
I call foul.
Save your fear mongering.
ok, so you would prefer that the public sector not involve itself in public policing, fire emergencies or education
that in no way is a position which could be termed "realistic"
Not the broad economic reality the rest of us have to face.
I've had to deal with shorter work hours with reductions in pay and no guaranteed golden parachute retirement.
Yea, they are out of the mainstream when it comes to compensation.
Really. I have larger classrooms. I have to teach more students at less pay, overage is being cut. We lost 26 instructors last year and our football team. What exactly are we not feeling?
I didn't say that at all, don't put words into my mouth.
I said bloated, we either pay them to much or there are to many on the dole.
I think it's the former instead of the later.
Pay cuts would be fine with me.
you resent the federal government's intervention to staff adequate police, firemen and teachers to perform their jobs
but you now insist you are OK with the public sector being responsible for fire, policing and education
notice how you seem not to have a clue what you are arguing about
it must be concluded that you are offering us a first hand perspective regarding the inadequacies of a public education
That's good, it should be that way.
I don't think the feds need to step in to bail any of you out.
Same goes for the any other employment sector.
I haven't asked them to, but remember, this effects the education your children receive. No way around it. Larger classrooms, less one on one time, less hands on, more multiple choice tests and less critical thinking. It all has consequneces.
Not my children, I don't dump my kids off at the government baby sitting service.
It is a public pension. I work for a state school and this is the state pension fund. We pay into and the State matches funds. It is invested in the market (someone thought that was a good idea). The fund is not doing well:
In 2008, IPERS showed a portfolio worth $22 billion. Today the portfolio value hovers around $18 billion.
Iowa House Republicans » IPERS Net Worth Down 18 Percent
GENERAL INFORMATION
1. IPERS Trust Fund lost about $4.4 billion last year.
2. IPERS experienced a negative net return of about -16.27% during FY 2009.
School Administrators of Iowa - IPERS
I don't baby sit. But the effects are real all the same.
Compared to other states, your pension fund isn't doing too badly. Public pension funds across the nation are allll bleeding red ink. Actually, I must admit that it looks as though your state's got it a whole lot more right than Illinois. I plugged in $73K and $45K/annual and that you were retiring September 1st, single not married -- pension benefit around $1900/month. This is a far cry from Illinois pensions for teachers. In yours and my case, I think we're talking apples and oranges.
That may not be your intent and I'm not scolding you on this issue but a vast majority of parents consider it as such.
I haven't been completely fair in heaping all the criticism on teachers, for the poor results that exist.
A lot of it is parents, I will concede that point.
They may. Especially k-12. But many teachers fight that.
Well, nationally is what we need to look at. But I think you're doing that even in your state. It seems to me you're looking at the minority and not the majority.
ok, you are saying the federal government should not provide assistance to the states to ensure we have adequate fire and police protection and public schoolingYep, they shouldn't be involved.
but notice how your answers fail to reconcile ... like someone who speaks out of both sides of their mouthI didn't say it was wrong before.bubba's post but you now insist you are OK with the public sector being responsible for fire, policing and education
There you go making things up.
then, by all means, point out where i am reading it wrong. but if you are unable to do so, then we must conclude that you either have no idea about your disconnected opinions or you are unable to articulate them so that they no longer appear to be contradictory. so, take a stab at it and show us that you have reconcilable opinions on this topicI don't know man, it seems that you have a reading comprehension problem or your being intentionally dishonest.
garbage in > garbage out. give me something to work with, recognizing that we are discussing your opinions hereI see, that lately, you've been trying to approach topics from an intellectual perspective.
You're going to have to beef it up a bit.
We are doing it in Illinois, but not enough. We have a two-tiered system -- those hired after a certain date don't get the same bennies as those hired before the date. It's possible. Perhaps when I discuss this I should clarify that I'm talking about Illinois. Or else do some more homework before I apply it across the board. Certainly Iowa looks reasonable. Are they the exception? Don't know.
ok, you are saying the federal government should not provide assistance to the states to ensure we have adequate fire and police protection and public schooling
but notice how your answers fail to reconcile ... like someone who speaks out of both sides of their mouth
on one hand, you express your opposition to the federal assistance to enable fire and police protection and public education to be made adequate for our citizens, while you simultaneously say you are for the fire/police protection and public education being provided
it is anticipated that you will lay the responsibility for this upon the ineffective teaching of math skills while you were in school - but your responses do not add up
then, by all means, point out where i am reading it wrong. but if you are unable to do so, then we must conclude that you either have no idea about your disconnected opinions or you are unable to articulate them so that they no longer appear to be contradictory. so, take a stab at it and show us that you have reconcilable opinions on this topic
garbage in > garbage out. give me something to work with, recognizing that we are discussing your opinions here
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