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[W:1285] Teacher Shoots Son 10 Times

calamity said:
False assertion with no substantiation. Quit making things up without providing supporting evidence to back up you spurious claims.
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why do you make claims that you have to know you are going to get schooled on. I have schooled you on this in the past

The Dark Secret of Jim Crow and the Racist Roots of Gun Control

Gun control is founded on Jim Crow racism
davekopel.org davekopel.org


The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws -- and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites. This paper is intended to provide a brief summary of this unholy alliance of gun control and racism, and to suggest that gun control laws should be regarded as "suspect ideas," analogous to the "suspect classifications" theory of discrimination already part of the American legal system.
 
Daddyo said:
The ATF and local law enforcement rarely prosecute people who have committed a felony by lying on federal form 4473 the form everyone must fill out to purchase a firearm. As an FFL holder I have dozens of felony non approvals sitting in an envelope so marked. Once in a blue moon at will come get one and thats usually in connection with another crime like murder. Basically only when they want someone for something else.

This is yet another rub between pro gun law abiding citizens and liberal anti gunners.....they don't even enforce the laws already on the books yet want more.

Its precisely why we tend to feel that gun control advocates in power have a larger agenda. Doesn’t make sense.
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Bingo..its proof that gun control laws are about harassing legal gun owners particularly minorities and the poor.
Gun control advocates claim that the purpose of background checks is to keep bad guys from getting guns..
But when they catch a "bad guy" trying to buy a gun. ..pretty much nothing happens to them. The conviction./prosecution rate is less than 10%.
Its verifiable proof background checks are not about stopping bad guys
 
calamity said:
Guns harm thousands of people. They need to be taxed accordingly.
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Gun save thousands of people and stop or prevent billions in losses each year, do we get a tax credit for the good they do?
 
calamity said:
I don't see a tax as infringing on a right. It's a tax. Everyone pays taxes on something.
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You pay taxes to vote?
You pay taxes to speak freely?
You pay taxes to go to church?
You pay taxes to assemble or riot for you liberals?

You can't constitutionally tax a right. Sorry pal.
 
calamity said:
Na, guns kill more than they save. Of course, we all know that.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Guns in the home and risk of a violent death in the home: findings from a national study - PubMed

Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Thats false. Those stats include suicide, accident, and don't include lives that would have been lost if not for a gun.
 
Daddyo said:
Thats false. Those stats include suicide, accident, and don't include lives that would have been lost if not for a gun.
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How many of the posters who constantly howl for more gun control, do you think are actually primarily motivated by a desire to stop crime (as opposed to harassing gun owners etc)
 
Daddyo said:
Thats false. Those stats include suicide, accident, and don't include lives that would have been lost if not for a gun.
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The stats are hard data proving that having a gun makes you less safe. Everything else is just whining.
 
Daddyo said:
You pay taxes to vote?
You pay taxes to speak freely?
You pay taxes to go to church?
You pay taxes to assemble or riot for you liberals?

You can't constitutionally tax a right. Sorry pal.
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No, but we can tax purchases. Look it up.
 
Daddyo said:
Gun save thousands of people and stop or prevent billions in losses each year, do we get a tax credit for the good they do?
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Guns in the home increase your chances of a violent death. Fact.
 
calamity said:
The stats are hard data proving that having a gun makes you less safe. Everything else is just whining.
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If you think having a gun makes you less safe, than don't do it. Don't drive either because that certainly makes you less safe. Don't have sex either.
 
calamity said:
Guns in the home increase your chances of a violent death. Fact.
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that's bullshit. and that includes suicide which I don't see as a violent death. But lets stop the pretense. You have the right to not own guns because you are afraid of them but stop telling others that they shouldn't own them. Believe me, most of us gun owners have given this more thought than you have
 
TurtleDude said:
If you think having a gun makes you less safe, than don't do it. Don't drive either because that certainly makes you less safe. Don't have sex either.
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So you concede the point...finally. Remember that the next time it comes up: having guns increases your chance of a violent death. Hence, they make you less safe, by definition.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's bullshit. and that includes suicide which I don't see as a violent death. But lets stop the pretense. You have the right to not own guns because you are afraid of them but stop telling others that they shouldn't own them. Believe me, most of us gun owners have given this more thought than you have
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Facts are only bullshit to those who deny them. Your weasel words do not take away from the hard evidence that a gun in the home increases the chances of the residences therein dying violently.
 
calamity said:
Facts are only bullshit to those who deny them. Your weasel words do not take away from the hard evidence that a gun in the home increases the chances of the residences therein dying violently.
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let us assume your biased studies are right? SO WHAT?
 
TurtleDude said:
How many of the posters who constantly howl for more gun control, do you think are actually primarily motivated by a desire to stop crime (as opposed to harassing gun owners etc)
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Easy. They are out for harassment and could care less about crime. After all crime only happens to other people.
 
calamity said:
The stats are hard data proving that having a gun makes you less safe. Everything else is just whining.
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As far as blowing your brains out, you make you less safe, the gun didn't make you do it. You're right, the "hard data" that incorporates suicides is whining.
 
calamity said:
Because whites were given "g-father clause" exemptions.

Request Rejected

americanhistory.si.edu
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Lol and because it's unconstitutional to tax a right. Blacks were being denied the right to vote because they lacked the money to pay the tax. Same is true with any gun tax. The poor will be denied the right to keep and bear arms because of the tax.
 
TurtleDude said:
If you think having a gun makes you less safe, than don't do it. Don't drive either because that certainly makes you less safe. Don't have sex either.
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An argument made on the basis of cumulative data in that manner doesn't pertain to the individual level anyway. It's simplistic nonsense that relies on rhetoric more than a considered evaluation of the data.

Obviously, a motorcycle in the garage could be said to increase your chances of dying in a motorcycle accident if you stick with the simplistic. But does every motorcycle in every garage impart an equal chance of dying in a motorcycle accident? So the 18 yr old with a new license who likes to ride wheelies and habitually speed on his 150 horsepower crotch rocket has the same chance of coming to a bad end aboard his bike as the 30 year veteran who takes his cruiser for scenic rides in the country on weekends?

Who has the greater chance of dying because "a gun in the house"? A drug dealer with a Glock on his coffee table or a hunter/ enthusiast with several guns in his closet or safe or granny with a .38 special in her nightstand?

The simplistic avoids all that nuance because the nuance is devastating to the argument.
 
calamity said:
Guns in the home increase your chances of a violent death. Fact.
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Is that why you stopped having a gun in every room? Or maybe just a couple of rooms now. Naw everyone just knows calamity would never stoop to such hypocrisy, besides you could put your eye out.
 
calamity said:
So you concede the point...finally. Remember that the next time it comes up: having guns increases your chance of a violent death. Hence, they make you less safe, by definition.
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Oooo calamity did you just give yourself an AHHA moment by twisting TDs words?
 
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