Taze me bro!

[Caine]

The 'government' (police) have tazers for people who are acting in a disorderly, uncontrollable manner. This dude was acting in a disorderly, uncontrollable manner. They tazed him.

This guy had the option to stand down. He didn't. If a cop tells me to stand down if I'm acting unruly, I stand down. I have never been tazed.

What a concept.

Exactly.

Apparently liberal scum think that its cute when people push police to use force and then cry about the force used.

Who do you think created the concept of "passive resistance". Passive resistance is just a way to get the police to do something unpopular to gain support for your cause, happened during the 70s when the hippie liberal homos "unpeacefully" assembled and got arrested.

 

[Caine]

This is true. If they wanted to stop it, they would make it mandatory to install breathalyzers on every car's ignition.

Wow, Who do you think gets the money from court ordered Interlock devices?

Hint: Not the government.

Who gets the money from you hiring a lawyer?

ditto.

The fines are associated with cost of court (they have to obtain money for those who are employed to handle the paperwork related to your case, as well as the DAs and the Judges), also your community service fees are just that, community services fees to help pay for salaries and administrative procedures involved in the community service program. Your probation fee assists in paying salaries and for programs related to your probation period. If you are required to get an alcohol abuse assessment, you pay the agency that conducts that assessment, this is a portion of the REHABILITATION (Liberals love this in regards to crime .."Rehabilitate don't just throw them in jail", so blame them) aspect of the corrections system.

Oh yes, of course, there is the small fine that is a monetary punishment for your crime.


Any other fees you have questions about?

 

[Caine]

I don't have a problem of mandatory ignition devices for convicts, but I do have a huge problem forcing it on the innocent.

Privilege or no, I would have a hard time explaining it to the little old lady who doesn't drink why she needs to breathe into her steering wheel to start her car.

There are better ways to enforce DUI's.

Ummm...

Hasn't anyone see the 40 year old virgin?

That bitch had the sober guy blow into the interlock and then she took off on the road.

 

[Caine]

You can say just obey the cop and you don't get tazed, but hell obeying the cop doesn't even necessarily not get you shot like in the BART thing. Now they say he was going for his tazer, which is the point. Once handcuffed and on the ground, why the **** can they just taze you? Yes, the authority has other things which can do more damage, but I don't think a man in handcuffs should be shot or beaten with a nightstick either.

If you read my earlier statement you know Im not in support for the use of a tazer on this guy in the video we saw here either, yet, how would YOU suggest we get a crying maniac sitting on the ground to obey orders to stand up and get into the car? What do you think the police officer should have done?

The government spies on us, the government has unconstitutional search and seizure (well search and arrest) in the form of DUI check points,

These aren't unconstitutional, supreme court ruled they fall in line with the constitution.

they taze us when we don't do what they tell us to do; and that's if we're lucky.

Smoke much Meth? You seem to be in a deep state of paranoia brought on by a serious meth habit.

But no, if I want to drive I can't have some beers and drive cause they'll take away several thousand dollars of mine and take my license

Anyways, you can drive as drunk as you want to as long as it isn't on the PUBLIC streets and highways, where then you need to abide by the laws set forth by your elected representatives to ensure the safety of all those in your state.

, if I don't want to get tazed/shot I have to do everything a cop tells me to do and pray that when I do he still doesn't beat me.

paranoia paranoia everybody's coming to get meeeeeeeeee.

If I don't want cops busting down my door, I have to do everything the government tells me to do and hope they get their address right when they run around on their no knock warrants.

Its funny, "human are fallible" is used as the excuse for why liberals sympathize with death row inmates, however giving that same credit to the RARE case of entering the wrong home on a search warrant apparently is not acceptable.

 

[Caine]

Well at least I'm not the one excusing police brutality.
Life according to Captain "Obvious"
Cop 1: "Good job catching that crook"
Cop 2: "Whew, took a little bit of doing chased him down, tackled him to the ground, got him in cuffs. Now that I got him he's being all compliant sitting on the curb there."
Cop 1: "Lucky bastard!"
Cop 2: "Me...I had to chase that guy down, how's that lucky?"
Cop 1: "Well you got to, you know, tackle him and struggle, probably get in a few good punches"
Cop 2: "Well he was resisting"
Cop 1: "I know, I know. All I'm saying is that I have this nightstick and tazer here all out and ready and...well, I didn't get a chance to use them"
Cop 2: "You want to rough him up a little?"
Cop 1: "Gee, that sure would be swell!"
Cop 2: "Well Captain Obvious says '**** it, these things happen', so it's ok. Just don't leave any obvious marks."
Cop 1: "Superb!"
*Cop 1 beats handcuffed suspect*

:lol::lol::lol:

In other news Cop 1 and Cop 2 were fired from the Crazy Ikari Hysteria Police Department for not reporting a use of force incident to supervisors and is standard in all police departments around the nation.

 

[Caine]

So you claim these three things exist, but the reality is that they don't. Cops have way too much power. There is plenty of oversight, its just not reported in the media every 10 seconds because there is no need to do so.

Police agencies and News agencies do not get along, typically because news agencies can't even seem to get the facts straight in a major crime event in their reporting area, let alone get the facts straight when it has something to do with the integrity of the department. There is plenty of oversight, its just doesn't get reported.

They can pull you over at their discretion,

Wrong, They can pull you over with reasonable suspicion.

they can search your vehicle,

With probable cause or exigent circumstances (presence of a weapon, etc)

they can question you,

You can question me... whats your point?

they can arrest you for no reason

They can arrest you with probable cause that you have committed a crime, reviewed by a judicial official, usually a magistrate to determine if probable cause does in fact exist....

they can really do whatever they want.

No, we can't. Your just too paranoid to see that, and never will, and Im talking to a ****ing brick wall here.

There's no oversight

WRONG

probably a lot of activity is encouraged if it "gets results".

This is true, alot of activity is encouraged if it gets results, its how reducing crime works. Only the activities im referring to , and you are referring to, are absolutely polar opposites, knowing you that is.

Only when things are caught on tape and shown to the public do proper wheels start moving. There is not enough enforcement by the People.

You mean when the media gets involved its when the proper wheels start moving.... you know nothing about what goes on within your local police department...

 

[Caine]

It is sad when the most common way of finding a corrupt cop is through pure luck of chance. Some dude just happened to get it. Otherwise it never would have been known.

This is why every single gun needs a camera on it and websites like RateMyCop.com - Home need to be used by every single person that ever interacts with a cop. Good or bad. A good cop gets good ratings by people and a bad one gets bad ones. I garentee the public would sift through it and oust ones that used too much aggression and police would be loved again after being sifted.

The ones that got too many complaints of "Hey this guy really hurt me for no reason" can then be monitored by their own higher ups along with the public that way accountability truly becomes a beautiful thing.

We need to enter the age of Truth and Gold and it needs to be soon.
And I want America to be the first one to start it all.

HAHA! RATE A COP! That website is such garbage.

The poor ****ing stoner who is pissed because he got a ticket for smoking pot that he was trying to lie about can get on there and lie his ass off about the cop who wrote him.

It is a great idea, but unfortunately because its the internet and its COMPLETELY anonymous, its wayy too subject to random bull****.

 

[Caine]

That sucks. I hate when people are punished for things they haven't done yet. Speeding in a construction. Punished heavily for not hurting anyone yet.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.



Someone shouldn't have to get hurt before there are consequences for dangerous actions.


Thats why we are a part of the "Public Safety" system in our respective jurisdictions along with Fire Departments and EMTs.

We aren't, "Public clean up after someone ****ed **** up"

 

[Caine]

Why do you have drugs in your pocket?

Sounds to me like all this hate toward authority figures stems from a disregard to what is legal and what isn't.

Exactly...
Because you know the commmon police officer has everything to do with what is and isn't a crime on the books and all :roll:

This is also the reason why I haven't been able to find someone worthy of discussing legalization of drugs with, because they always start with the crying bull**** about the punishment of those who KNEW it was illegal and still did it as if I have any sort of sympathy for those junkies.

 

[Caine]

That should lead to more and more cops in jail. While I can understand sorta where you're coming from; the cops have to be watched and constrained because of those bad apples. The People don't know which ones are bad and which ones are good, so it's best to assume they're all bad. Anything or anyone that wields the power and sovereignty of the People must be treated with suspicion and necessarily restricted in the use of the People's power and sovereignty. There are a lot of crazy lawsuits out there, some of them are unnecessary and wasteful. There's not a whole lot we can do about that since our court system is open. What it means is that yes, the cops can't go around beating people as much anymore. They may get caught on camera and if that happens, they're probably gonna get in trouble. There is now becoming an effective means by which the police can be policed. I don't think that's innately a bad thing. So there are less people wanting to be cops. A cop should want to be a cop to protect the People, if you don't want to be a cop because you can't beat the **** out of people in handcuffs anymore, you probably shouldn't have been a cop in the first place.

While there is a need for police officers, there is also a need to watch and constrain police officers.

You still apparently have no earthly idea what it is like to be a police officer.

If I taze someone, I have to file an extremely long and well articulated report detailing the incident with a supervisor, who then also has to interview the person who I tazed, and file his or her own extremely long and well articulated report detailing what they were able to view, as well as comments made by the suspects. This is called a USE OF FORCE REPORT. This report then gets reviewed by a captain, and then sent to Internal Affairs to be reviewed by a panel which will either call a hearing that I must be present for in order to ask additional questions if something needs to be cleared up, or review that the use of force was acceptable.
After a hearing, if one is so necessary, and if the Internal Affairs panel decides that the use of force was excessive, depending on the level of excessiveness will determine the type of internal punishment or reprimand is needed, or a civil review board (a group of non police city administrators) must review the circumstances and determine if the officer's employment should be terminated.

This same process applies to use of any Hard Strikes (Punches, kicks, etc), use of pepper spray, use of baton (or flaslight when being used as a baton), and any use of deadly force (using a gun or knife.. or using a baton to strike the suspect in the head, or using a choke hold on the suspect causing air supply to be cut off).

I beg of you to actually read this instead of just blow it off like you do anything else that doesn't agree with your twisted little 1920s gangster Chicago police mindset that you refuse to let go of.