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If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care about something that has the potential to save your life? I've never understood the mindset, frankly. If they'd have been in the right place at the right time, the Boston bombing could have been prevented. We live in a complicated world. Strangers are trying to annihilate us. I wish they'd walk around with portable metal detectors. Might get some illegal guns off the streets.
If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care about something that has the potential to save your life? I've never understood the mindset, frankly. If they'd have been in the right place at the right time, the Boston bombing could have been prevented. We live in a complicated world. Strangers are trying to annihilate us. I wish they'd walk around with portable metal detectors. Might get some illegal guns off the streets.
Then it really must irk you that your view politically is on the fringe.
Well, the "people" keep voting them into office don't they?
Well, you do have a point there, but I wouldn't call people stupid for being caught in the two party cycle, it is after all what they are fed on a daily basis as the only way their voice counts, and most people don't follow this crap like we do.
What irks me is that we've been doing the same thing for almost 70 years and somehow we think the outcomes should be different. The logical fail is what irks me. The purposeful abdication of reason and logic is what irks me.
So, how's that anger workin out for ya? Getting a lot of libertarian wins in elections is it?
No, it's a win for no one. We just continue our wars and the aggregation of government power, and happily the ignorant trot down the road of fascism.
TheNextEra said:Being on the "fringe" isn't necessarily a bad thing all the time. At one time, there were "fringe" people that believed the Earth was round instead of flat. Silly them.
Do you really think the embacy in Libya or Egypt is doing a damn think to negotiate peace? Sorry, but that is a bill of sale I'm not buying.
Well, although we probably agree more than disagree on a range of things, I don't think that going through life thinking that people that don't agree with everything I believe exactly are somehow stupid, or less intelligent than I am. It doesn't help to draw people to listen to what you have to say when you constantly talk down to people as if they are beneath you. Then they don't listen, but rather think that you are just being a jerk (not saying you are one, I don't know you in real life)...This is a problem many Ron Paul supporters have, as well as a huge problem for the current crop of progressive liberals today.
For example, When TNE says this:
This is an insult...Why should anyone in here listen to a damn thing the guy has to say past this? After all, if I don't agree with him, I must be a "flat earther" right? :roll:
It is dangerously close to the mindset of the AGW cultists out there that have thrown reason out the window for blind acceptance of a theory that has been politically skewed to meet a political goal rather than any true immediate threat from man.
All I am saying, is that maybe in furthering your particular line of thinking, approaching people in a way that doesn't scream 'believe the same as me, or you just stupid' in the angriest manner you can muster would help further your discussion....That's all.
I understand that, but the measurements are too obvious. The observables are clear, and people march down the road blindly and in doing so they endanger my rights. All the time bigger government, all the time more intrusive government. It just keeps going, it's like an evil Energizer Bunny. More aggressiveness, more force, more Big Brother behavior. This is undeniable and it is clearly dangerous to allow government a free hand. It has always been dangerous to allow government a free hand. Yet people turn away from obvious measurement and observation and pretend for sake of fear or convenience or apathy or whatever reason pretend that things are fine. Meanwhile, we drive ourselves into further debt, we don't really address any issue of terrorism, the government grows bigger, and we become less free. And I for one ain't so happy about being drug down with the lot because enough people don't care enough to pay attention or fall prey to fear tactics.
Also I didn't say stupid, I said ignorance. Ignorance can be fixed with education. And it wasn't the angriest manner I could muster either, it was more poetic.
We see it in here, that in certain things if you close your eyes and repeat certain sentences over and over, you can almost picture a Chris Matthews, or Sean Hannity saying the exact same thing...But I don't think that overcoming that mindset is in berating those people, and proclaiming them ignorant for not listening, but rather talking to them and laying out your case in a civil manner...Some will see it, others will not.
In many cases we see ourselves in a different light that what is actually the case.
I don't think the mindset can be overcome. Sometimes an engineering student needs to be told they aren't cut out for engineering. Sometimes the physics grad student needs to be told that they are not intelligent enough to continue. Sometime the ignorant need to be informed that they are ignorant. Will it solve the problem? I'm under no delusion. I think given the observables and the reactions, many are very content in their ignorance and purposefully avoid breaking it. Everything is obvious, it's as obvious as addition. If one does not see it, it is because they choose not to see it. How do you fight willful ignorance.
But they're dragging me to hell in a handbasket, I'm going to bitch during the entire trip.
That's because people like to read into things and add emotions that are not there. What I said previous is nothing more than a statement of fact.
So then, what are you doing here? Are you just here to bitch and moan? Good grief, if in the end I thought that was all I was here to do, I'd pull out in a second....
Maybe you don't intend it, and I understand that, but, what you see as fact someone else doesn't...That is also a statement of fact.
Americans are so damned fickle. In one breath they whine about being spied on but the minute something bad happens, they cry about how the government did not do enough. Make up your damned minds.
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