Are you saying that the U.S. military should have stayed in perpetuity ?
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Seriously? Can you make just one post without blaming Obama for things he has no bearing on? I'd sure as hell hate to be your dentist when you have a toothache.
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Does anyone else see something a bit incoherent here? Not to mention the whole "peace at the cost of millions dying" bit. USC... peace means NOT killing therefore if there are millions being killed its not peace.
Now you are basing your debate on "almost" now?
Its a crap sandwich. But frankly thats the normal state of the ME. Obama almost armed those Sunni rebels as the FSA.
No, the situation was ripe for its departure. I view that a good thing. No one could imagine Miliki would screw it up so bad. The situation was stable on the ground, the proper foundations laid, the military and the whole U.S. for that matter did all that could be expected. It is like we took a baby and taught it how to crawl and then to walk, how to run was up to the kid or in this case Iraq and Miliki. One can do only so much.
As long as he's going there, didn't McCain actually meet with some of these "new" bad guys ?I wouldn't be surprised if some of the arms given Turkey for deliver didn't make it into the bad guys hands.
Obama is in charge, and on his watch terrorist groups are spreading all over. Obama presided over the withdrawal of US military forces. Obama has selectively been fighting in the ME since he came into power. He's at the wheel.
As per my post #99, I support the limited boots in special forces activities, liking blowing the **** out of their armor.
And protect refineries.
Syrian planes must have been given Putin's okay, so the lines are further drawn.
In the end, I'll stay with my original: this ISILS is like Spartacus and the slaves .
Yes yes yes... your ideology trumps any facts. Carry on.
oh... care to comment on Cheney on the whole "power vacuum you like to go on about?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...illing-least-50-people-10.html#post1063450536
Look at all the democrats here saying Saddam had to go. You do realize Clinton designated regime change as the goal for Iraq, dont you?
As long as he's going there, didn't McCain actually meet with some of these "new" bad guys ?
More like your ideology does not trump the facts.
As I told someone else, either in this thread or another is that you need a program to figure all this mess out. We're sending in advisors and intel speciists to help Miliki. Syria and Assad, we are trying to overthrow Assad is now on Miliki's side and I presume makes him on our side too even if we are trying to over throw him. Iran is also on Miliki's side and we don't like Iran one bit and are trying to stop them getting nukes. Then there is the financial support of our supposedly allies going to ISIS, Saudi, Kuwait and Qatar. Now if Putin is indirectly back Miliki through Syria and Assad, what the heck is going on here?
Perhaps we should just stay out entirely or at least until this mess makes a bit more sense. By the way here is the latest Gallup Poll on Iraq.
Support for Iraq Military Action Low in Historical Context
Doing nothing seems what the majority of Americans want.
Cheney's been trying to rewrite the history books from the day he left office.I guess you're going to ignore the cheney video then. predictable.
Are you suggesting things haven't changed since that 1994 video?I guess you're going to ignore the cheney video then. predictable.
I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. He met with some. Dang, life was so simple during the cold war, us vs. them.
Don't you have it the other way around Lord?Those of the left, often only know what the media pundits tell them.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the arms given Turkey for deliver didn't make it into the bad guys hands.
Those of the left, often only know what the media pundits tell them.
Are you suggesting things haven't changed since that 1994 video?
Does you mind ever change as variables in your life change, or are you stuck on all the same thoughts you had 8 years earlier?
You know how I feel about what Americans think during times like these.
I don't suppose Putin is too concerned about what his people think in an opinion poll either--neither should Obama.
And Putie doesn't have warhawks and isolationists from both parties biting at his heels either does he ?
What changed? The cheney in that video was 100% right in his prediction of what would happen if you took out saddam and took over Iraq. The only thing that changed was before, 1994 cheney was right, after 1994 cheney was right. Sooo... what's your point?
Cheney was the VP. I know you lefties can't stand him but its not terribly important. I just posted video with Biden saying we should go into Iraq.
Now what?
You know how I feel about what Americans think during times like these.
I don't suppose Putin is too concerned about what his people think in an opinion poll either--neither should Obama.
And Putie doesn't have warhawks and isolationists from both parties biting at his heels either does he ?
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