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Most Republicans Think Pence Had No Right To Overturn Trump’s Election Loss, Poll Finds
2020 election results are far from the first issue on Republican voters’ minds, according to a Quinnipiac poll.www.forbes.com
What percent of Republicans support trump? What percent Pence?I think the 50 some percent on the right will prevail over the radical cultitist 30 some percent on the right.
It's in the link: the 30+ percent support Trump's attempt to overturn the election.What percent of Republicans support trump? What percent Pence?
The elephant in the room is woke!"As Congress debates how to reform our electoral counting procedures to safeguard against another coup attempt, a strange two-track dynamic has set in. On one track, Donald Trump and his allies are loudly telegraphing their intentions to rerun his 2020 scheme in 2024 — albeit with more allies installed in key positions this time. On the other track, a handful of Republicans are trying to assemble reforms that will foil any such future Trump attempt — while carefully saying little about the gigantic elephant in the room, i.e. that the 2024 threat comes from Trump himself. Susan Collins (R-Maine) has a new piece outlining her support for reform that underscores this dynamic. In a way, Collins and other Republicans in her camp are trying to “Trump proof” our elections — behind Trump’s back. This hints at how reform might happen, if it is to happen at all.
Collins does note that the holes in the ECA are what created an avenue for Trump to try to overturn his loss. She points out that in pressuring his vice president, Mike Pence, to refuse to count Joe Biden’s electors, Trump tried to exploit the ECA’s lack of clarity on the vice president’s role. Collins also points out that the ECA’s problems helped spark the Jan. 6 insurrection. Trump incited his mob to attack the Capitol, where they tried to search out Pence and delay the count of electors, apparently acting on the idea that this procedural coup actually was possible.
Collins’s piece suggests Republicans are examining ECA reforms that would clarify the vice president’s role and make it harder for Congress to invalidate legitimate electors (another thing Trump tried to make happen). Those things are essential. But they’re not enough: We can’t only fight the last war here. Another threat comes from the possibility that in 2024, a single GOP governor might send fake electors for Trump, and a GOP-controlled House run by a Speaker McCarthy could count them. As I’ve reported, if this happens, it might actually work under the current ECA. And there are basic additional reforms that would fix this."
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Can they pass a bill to protect our democracy without waking the elephant in the room?
I think the 50 some percent on the right will prevail over the radical cultitist 30 some percent on the right.
That wasn't my question.It's in the link: the 30+ percent support Trump's attempt to overturn the election.
With relevancy to the topic of this thread? I've posted that. 50+ percent in that poll sided with Pence's actions of not subverting democracy. 30+ percent are OK with subverting democracy, you know, the Trump cultists. I think this is a new development and worth mentioning.That wasn't my question.
Yes, with relevancy to the topic. More than yours. If someone, knowing all we know, says they still support trump for president, then that's what's relevant, not whether they say they like his coup plan or not. Their input is whether to vote for him. He doesn't call them up and ask for their permission on the coup.With relevancy to the topic of this thread? I've posted that. 50+ percent in that poll sided with Pence's actions of not subverting democracy. 30+ percent are OK with subverting democracy, you know, the Trump cultists. I think this is a new development and worth mentioning.
That poll shows a somewhat significant crack developing, and that is relevant, especialy regarding elections, no matter what you say.Yes, with relevancy to the topic. More than yours. If someone, knowing all we know, says they still support trump for president, then that's what's relevant, not whether they say they like his coup plan or not. Their input is whether to vote for him. He doesn't call them up and ask for their permission on the coup.
No matter what I say? Now you're just being hostile. Yes, there is a crack developing. Yes, that is important. And I no longer care to discuss the topic you did not answer with you.That poll shows a somewhat significant crack developing, and that is relevant, especialy regarding elections, no matter what you say.
What are you going on about?No matter what I say? Now you're just being hostile. Yes, there is a crack developing. Yes, that is important. And I no longer care to discuss the topic you did not answer with you.
... and make it harder for Congress to invalidate legitimate electors ...t in the room?
What are you going on about?
I lightly consider myself Republican. I don't know that I have ever thought about my support as support of a person, it is support of an office. My ideals are such that the office is an office that is deserved of respect, not so much the person.What percent of Republicans support trump? What percent Pence?
"As Congress debates how to reform our electoral counting procedures to safeguard against another coup attempt, a strange two-track dynamic has set in. On one track, Donald Trump and his allies are loudly telegraphing their intentions to rerun his 2020 scheme in 2024 — albeit with more allies installed in key positions this time. On the other track, a handful of Republicans are trying to assemble reforms that will foil any such future Trump attempt — while carefully saying little about the gigantic elephant in the room, i.e. that the 2024 threat comes from Trump himself. Susan Collins (R-Maine) has a new piece outlining her support for reform that underscores this dynamic. In a way, Collins and other Republicans in her camp are trying to “Trump proof” our elections — behind Trump’s back. This hints at how reform might happen, if it is to happen at all.
Collins does note that the holes in the ECA are what created an avenue for Trump to try to overturn his loss. She points out that in pressuring his vice president, Mike Pence, to refuse to count Joe Biden’s electors, Trump tried to exploit the ECA’s lack of clarity on the vice president’s role. Collins also points out that the ECA’s problems helped spark the Jan. 6 insurrection. Trump incited his mob to attack the Capitol, where they tried to search out Pence and delay the count of electors, apparently acting on the idea that this procedural coup actually was possible.
Collins’s piece suggests Republicans are examining ECA reforms that would clarify the vice president’s role and make it harder for Congress to invalidate legitimate electors (another thing Trump tried to make happen). Those things are essential. But they’re not enough: We can’t only fight the last war here. Another threat comes from the possibility that in 2024, a single GOP governor might send fake electors for Trump, and a GOP-controlled House run by a Speaker McCarthy could count them. As I’ve reported, if this happens, it might actually work under the current ECA. And there are basic additional reforms that would fix this."
Link
Can they pass a bill to protect our democracy without waking the elephant in the room?
That was a bunch of bullshit.I lightly consider myself Republican. I don't know that I have ever thought about my support as support of a person, it is support of an office. My ideals are such that the office is an office that is deserved of respect, not so much the person.
No one person, or set of people are more worthy than what I consider the USA (as a whole)
I think lots of people, if you deep dive, think this way.
If you do not, it is likely that you are very easy to manipulate and take on cultist like qualities. Likely every dictator in power today and in times past likely came to be that way exactly like this. People should not cede power to individuals, they cede power to be taken back, if necessary, to the ideal. (The Constitution)
any of this driven by a fear that kamila might do in 2025 what pence did not in 2021?
when susan collins is behind this, you know our nation is in trouble
...Thread shitting becomes you.That was a bunch of bullshit.
I hope you post as many concerns about the Electoral College Compact where democrats have stated repeatedly they could seat electors by the national vote total and not the state total to change the electoral count in their state."As Congress debates how to reform our electoral counting procedures to safeguard against another coup attempt, a strange two-track dynamic has set in. On one track, Donald Trump and his allies are loudly telegraphing their intentions to rerun his 2020 scheme in 2024 — albeit with more allies installed in key positions this time. On the other track, a handful of Republicans are trying to assemble reforms that will foil any such future Trump attempt — while carefully saying little about the gigantic elephant in the room, i.e. that the 2024 threat comes from Trump himself. Susan Collins (R-Maine) has a new piece outlining her support for reform that underscores this dynamic. In a way, Collins and other Republicans in her camp are trying to “Trump proof” our elections — behind Trump’s back. This hints at how reform might happen, if it is to happen at all.
Collins does note that the holes in the ECA are what created an avenue for Trump to try to overturn his loss. She points out that in pressuring his vice president, Mike Pence, to refuse to count Joe Biden’s electors, Trump tried to exploit the ECA’s lack of clarity on the vice president’s role. Collins also points out that the ECA’s problems helped spark the Jan. 6 insurrection. Trump incited his mob to attack the Capitol, where they tried to search out Pence and delay the count of electors, apparently acting on the idea that this procedural coup actually was possible.
Collins’s piece suggests Republicans are examining ECA reforms that would clarify the vice president’s role and make it harder for Congress to invalidate legitimate electors (another thing Trump tried to make happen). Those things are essential. But they’re not enough: We can’t only fight the last war here. Another threat comes from the possibility that in 2024, a single GOP governor might send fake electors for Trump, and a GOP-controlled House run by a Speaker McCarthy could count them. As I’ve reported, if this happens, it might actually work under the current ECA. And there are basic additional reforms that would fix this."
Link
Can they pass a bill to protect our democracy without waking the elephant in the room?
You too, my dear....Thread shitting becomes you.
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