Surprise! DOGE's firings will cost taxpayers $135 billion (1 Viewer)

[Visbek]

Yep. The shambolic, inept, inexperienced DOGE tweens will probably cost more than they saved.

Elon Musk and DOGE’s Savings May Be Erased by New Costs

An expert on the federal work force estimates that the speed and chaos of Mr. Musk’s cuts to the bureaucracy will cost taxpayers $135 billion this fiscal year.

www.nytimes.com

The Partnership for Public Service, a nonprofit organization that studies the federal work force, has used budget figures to produce a rough estimate that firings, re-hirings, lost productivity and paid leave of thousands of workers will cost upward of $135 billion this fiscal year. At the Internal Revenue Service, a DOGE-driven exodus of 22,000 employees would cost about $8.5 billion in revenue in 2026 alone, according to figures from the Budget Lab at Yale University. The total number of departures is expected to be as many as 32,000.

Neither of these estimates includes the cost to taxpayers of defending DOGE’s moves in court. Of about 200 lawsuits and appeals related to Mr. Trump’s agenda, at least 30 implicate the department.


Needless to say: If they had actually taken their time, identified unproductive staffers and programs, and done it the right way, it wouldn't have cost this much.

Sadly, getting rid of Elmo, or counting up the cost of the damage, isn't going to change DOGE or Dear Leader one bit.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Righties are too stupid to even understand what the above means.

 

[Greenbeard]

 

[gman]

Someone was bound to run the figures on this massacre. It was so poorly run which means it was only done to grab headlines then walk away.

 

[VanceMack]

These cost estimates are of course highly uncertain, partly because our calculations are relying on contemporary reporting of what is happening at the IRS. In addition, there is no modern historical precedent for this level of cuts to IRS staffing: It is unclear how the IRS would be able to actually function given the scale of what has been reported.

Typically...people look at the leaves, and not the forest.

The cost savings are extrapolated over time...and ONLY come into fruition if a new administration doesnt go on a mass hiring spree and re-fill all of the positions being eliminated.

 

[Isidore]

In retrospect, having people that don't know how the government works in charge of that government may not have been such a great concept of a plan.

 

[bomberfox]

Yep. The shambolic, inept, inexperienced DOGE tweens will probably cost more than they saved.

Elon Musk and DOGE’s Savings May Be Erased by New Costs

An expert on the federal work force estimates that the speed and chaos of Mr. Musk’s cuts to the bureaucracy will cost taxpayers $135 billion this fiscal year.

www.nytimes.com

The Partnership for Public Service, a nonprofit organization that studies the federal work force, has used budget figures to produce a rough estimate that firings, re-hirings, lost productivity and paid leave of thousands of workers will cost upward of $135 billion this fiscal year. At the Internal Revenue Service, a DOGE-driven exodus of 22,000 employees would cost about $8.5 billion in revenue in 2026 alone, according to figures from the Budget Lab at Yale University. The total number of departures is expected to be as many as 32,000.

Neither of these estimates includes the cost to taxpayers of defending DOGE’s moves in court. Of about 200 lawsuits and appeals related to Mr. Trump’s agenda, at least 30 implicate the department.


Needless to say: If they had actually taken their time, identified unproductive staffers and programs, and done it the right way, it wouldn't have cost this much.

Sadly, getting rid of Elmo, or counting up the cost of the damage, isn't going to change DOGE or Dear Leader one bit.

They’re trying to be like the chicago boys or the harvard boys.

 

[gman]

These cost estimates are of course highly uncertain, partly because our calculations are relying on contemporary reporting of what is happening at the IRS. In addition, there is no modern historical precedent for this level of cuts to IRS staffing: It is unclear how the IRS would be able to actually function given the scale of what has been reported.

Typically...people look at the leaves, and not the forest.

The cost savings are extrapolated over time...and ONLY come into fruition if a new administration doesnt go on a mass hiring spree and re-fill all of the positions being eliminated.

Do you or don’t you see anything wrong with the way this was conducted?

 

[Airyaman]

But they were just cutting waste, fraud and abuse.

No, they were just cutting stuff and hoovering up all the data of the USA.

I bet you there are backdoors in multiple government departments files. Musk (or one of his script kiddies) could sell that access to the highest bidder. There was no other reason for them to be in those systems.

 

[SavannahMann]

Let’s be honest. The DOGE Bros are dummies who think AI is smart.

 

[VanceMack]

Do you or don’t you see anything wrong with the way this was conducted?

I absolutely agree the firings were ham-fisted at best. But there are some historical factors at play here. 1-There have been massive cuts (far greater than what has happened today) to the federal workforce before...twice...both by democrat presidents...and no one peed themselves over the results. 2-When left to the government and organizations to find rooms to cut, invariably...all that has happened is the government has grown...because EVERY job is critical and no one wants to make cuts. The reality is that Trump has 2 years to affect change...and it will be either positive or negative. If the long term impact is positive, the house will stay red during the midterms. If the House turns blue in 2026, everything will be completely thrown into chaos and the democrat party wll launch non stop impeachment attacks based on whatever lies they want to, just like they did last time...and nothing changes. The country goes bankrupt and our children and grandchildren will suffer.

So yes...chaotic...and yes...the organizations will re-balance with the manpower and resources on hand to do the job. Its already happening.

 

[gman]

Chaotic yes, however I’m drawing a blank on previous RIFs affecting so many departments so deeply

 

[Lursa]

These cost estimates are of course highly uncertain, partly because our calculations are relying on contemporary reporting of what is happening at the IRS. In addition, there is no modern historical precedent for this level of cuts to IRS staffing: It is unclear how the IRS would be able to actually function given the scale of what has been reported.

Typically...people look at the leaves, and not the forest.

The cost savings are extrapolated over time...and ONLY come into fruition if a new administration doesnt go on a mass hiring spree and re-fill all of the positions being eliminated.

Where has mango MAGAt magnet ever said that? He's said "a little pain up front" (paraphrased)...that's all. So please cite your statement.

 

[Lursa]

I absolutely agree the firings were ham-fisted at best. But there are some historical factors at play here. 1-There have been massive cuts (far greater than what has happened today) to the federal workforce before...twice...both by democrat presidents...and no one peed themselves over the results. 2-When left to the government and organizations to find rooms to cut, invariably...all that has happened is the government has grown...because EVERY job is critical and no one wants to make cuts. The reality is that Trump has 2 years to affect change...and it will be either positive or negative. If the long term impact is positive, the house will stay red during the midterms. If the House turns blue in 2026, everything will be completely thrown into chaos and the democrat party wll launch non stop impeachment attacks based on whatever lies they want to, just like they did last time...and nothing changes. The country goes bankrupt and our children and grandchildren will suffer.

So yes...chaotic...and yes...the organizations will re-balance with the manpower and resources on hand to do the job. Its already happening.

Cite the bold please. Mostly the 'far greater' part.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

Let’s be honest. The DOGE Bros are dummies who think AI is smart.

???....
Do you use google ?
Well that's more or less start of AI......

The DEM's were on the side of DOGE before they weren't ...

 

[dmpi]

Isn't this the cost of the cushy severance packages? That's the price you pay for listening to the Democrats and being nice.

 

[SavannahMann]

???....
Do you use google ?
Well that's more or less start of AI......

The DEM's were on the side of DOGE before they weren't ...

Democrats are in favor of rational and intelligent cuts to Government. Clinton for example oversaw a great economy and reduced Government spending.

DOGE was not and is not intelligent in any way.

Before you can fix something, you need to understand what it does. Other wise you are letting someone who has never seen an internal combustion engine work on it. The one thing you can be sure of, that fellow isn’t going to fix the engine.

DOGE connected their AI crap to the computers and let the AI decide who should be fired. The morons fired the only plumber at Yellowstone National Park. That is one example out of thousands as evidence of their idiocy.

If you really want to shrink the Deficit, do what Clinton did. Increase taxes on the wealthiest, and go through each department and program to look for cuts. But have people who know what the hell the department and program is doing. It might save you from firing the technicians overseeing our Nuclear Weapons.

You need smart people. Not people who you want to believe are smart. Because the evidence clearly shows. They are blithering idiots who couldn’t manage Nuns in Silent Prayer.

 

[Greenbeard]

to the federal workforce before...twice...both by democrat presidents...and no one peed themselves over the results.

That's because--not being conducted haphazardly by morons--the results weren't bad. What we're getting now, on the other hand, is a clown show straight out of Veep.

The mass buyout did not favor highly rated performers nor distinguish crucial jobs from nonessential ones, practices that guided furloughs during past government shutdowns. Consequently, the administration wound up trying to reverse an exodus of people in vital roles.

Buyouts and firings initially trimmed about 100,000 workers — thousands fewer people than those who typically retire in a year, according to Office of Personnel Management figures. At least one-quarter of those 100,000 workers have been rehired at full pay, most after judges ruled that their firings were illegal and some after Mr. Musk said DOGE had “accidentally” sacked workers safeguarding nuclear weapons, ensuring aviation safety and combating bird flu and Ebola.

Separately, a New York Times investigation into cuts to the National Nuclear Security Administration illustrates the effect of the buyouts on efforts to safeguard and modernize the nation’s nuclear weapons. Of more than 130 people who were fired or accepted DOGE’s invitation to quit, at least 27 were engineers, 13 were program or project analysts, 12 were program or project managers, and five were physicists or scientists.

Four of these employees were specialists handling the secure transport of nuclear materials, and a half dozen worked in the agency unit that builds reactors for nuclear submarines.

The administration cut about 400 probationary workers at the Federal Aviation Administration after multiple plane crashes, including one in Washington in January that killed 67 people. The layoffs included maintenance mechanics and aviation safety assistants.

Trump should've hired Al Gore to do this if he wanted to avoid this kind of shit show.

 

[VanceMack]

That's because--not being conducted haphazardly by morons--the results weren't bad. What we're getting now, on the other hand, is a clown show straight out of Veep.






Trump should've hired Al Gore to do this if he wanted to avoid this kind of shit show.

Horseshit. If Trump told you to breathe you would be dead in 4 minutes. Your poutrage is over all things Trump. You fool no one.