Supreme Court unanimously blocks Mexico’s lawsuit against U.S. gunmakers

Cope said:

So easy in fact that they had to reverse an appeal ...Perhaps that appellate court should be looked into.

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Judges are not liable for wrong decision. That is what the overall appellate system is for and why we have a Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has already "looked into it."

I seriously doubt that there exists ANY Judge who has not been overturned by a superior court (or Supreme Court Justices who not overturned when they were on lower courts) at least several times in their career.

The First Circuit panel's decision was overturned and that is the end of it.

Now there are Judges like the late Stephen Reinhardt and the late Manuel Real (both subjects of attempted impeachment) who engaged in patterns of defiance of higher courts. Stephen Reinhardt once famously said the Supreme Court could not catch them all (regarding defiant decisions he authored). Fortunately, judges of this type are extremely rare.

But simply being overturned for a wrong decision is different from the outright defiance that Reinhardt and Real showed.

JMB1911A1 said:

Mexico does not submit 100% of the guns they recover at crime scenes to the ATF. Also, firearms legally sold to Mexican police and military and later stolen/sold by corrupt officials count towards those “US guns”.

FactCheck: How Many Mexican Guns Come From U.S.?

President Obama says 90 percent of Mexico's recovered crime guns come from the U.S. That's not what the statistics show.

www.newsweek.com

The figure represents only the percentage of crime guns that have been submitted by Mexican officials and traced by U.S. officials. We can find no hard data on the total number of guns actually "recovered in Mexico," but U.S. and Mexican officials both say that Mexico recovers more guns than it submits for tracing. Therefore, the percentage of guns "recovered" that are traced to U.S. sources necessarily is less than 90 percent. Where do the others come from? U.S. officials can't say.

Mexico's gun supply and the 90 percent myth

The same economic law of supply and demand that fuels drug smuggling into the US fuels gun smuggling into Mexico

www.police1.com

According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.

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So why does the ATF have this on their website?

OlNate said:

So why does the ATF have this on their website?

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1) Like any government agency, they want to keep their programs alive.
2) They can only report on the guns that Mexico submits for tracing. There is zero proof that Mexico submits 100% of firearms to the U.S. ATF.

Safiel said:

Judges are not liable for wrong decision. That is what the overall appellate system is for and why we have a Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has already "looked into it."

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When it comes to the Constitutionality of some things, they ARE liable (or should be) for being political hacks.

Safiel said:

I seriously doubt that there exists ANY Judge who has not been overturned by a superior court (or Supreme Court Justices who not overturned when they were on lower courts) at least several times in their career.

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As in any job, the ones who are overturned many times don't tend to get any further in the job. Just like other companies don't promote those who continually get it wrong. Except these are justices of a fairly high rank, who don't tend to get called to the carpet.

Safiel said:

The First Circuit panel's decision was overturned and that is the end of it.

Now there are Judges like the late Stephen Reinhardt and the late Manuel Real (both subjects of attempted impeachment) who engaged in patterns of defiance of higher courts. Stephen Reinhardt once famously said the Supreme Court could not catch them all (regarding defiant decisions he authored). Fortunately, judges of this type are extremely rare.

But simply being overturned for a wrong decision is different from the outright defiance that Reinhardt and Real showed.

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JMB1911A1 said:

1) Like any government agency, they want to keep their programs alive.
2) They can only report on the guns that Mexico submits for tracing. There is zero proof that Mexico submits 100% of firearms to the U.S. ATF.

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Well, I guess it's an impossible conversation to have then, since no one seems to know the correct answer. If you can't trust government numbers, you can't trust any numbers.

OlNate said:

Well, I guess it's an impossible conversation to have then, since no one seems to know the correct answer. If you can't trust government numbers, you can't trust any numbers.

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JMB1911A1 said:

Another lie. Most Mexican guns come from South America or are stolen/sold from their military. A majority of firearms in Mexico are never sent to the U.S. for tracing.

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you are lost

rhinefire said:

you are lost

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Post #74. Read and learn.

According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.

The gun control folks like to use the 3,480 out of 4,000 that could be traced by the ATF (87%). The true number would be 3,480 out of 30,000 seized by Mexican authorities (11.6%). But gun control advocates lie. We know it and they know it.

JMB1911A1 said:

Post #74. Read and learn.

According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.

The gun control folks like to use the 3,480 out of 4,000 that could be traced by the ATF (87%). The true number would be 3,480 out of 30,000 seized by Mexican authorities (11.6%). But gun control advocates lie. We know it and they know it.

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What is never published because it is not possible is how many guns and drugs make it through either way. The cartels are very professional at moving goods. The border personnel watching persons coming in to the states are very good but they can't stop every truck and car. I love to watch the shows about smugglers every week.