Verify what? They can check to see if you pay an electric bill at the address you gave but that doesn't mean a damned thing as far as citizenship goes. Besides, if they get 1,000,000 of these forms then who will do the checking, how long will it take and how much will it cost?
Who doesn't have a birth certificate?
Why New Photo ID Laws Mean Some Won't Vote : NPR
When Thelma Mitchell, a retired state employee, learned that her old employee ID (which was issued by the state and included her photo) wouldn't meet Tennessee's new voter ID law, she went to a motor vehicle office to obtain a valid photo ID. The agency asked her for a birth certificate, but she didn't have one and was denied her request for a new ID.
Mitchell, 93, has never had a birth certificate. She wasn't born in a hospital and was delivered by a midwife, in Alabama in 1918. Birth certificates, particularly for African-Americans in the South, weren't regularly generated at the time. As a result, Mitchell may not be able to vote this year for the first time in decades.
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Verify what? They can check to see if you pay an electric bill at the address you gave but that doesn't mean a damned thing as far as citizenship goes. Besides, if they get 1,000,000 of these forms then who will do the checking, how long will it take and how much will it cost?
A question is asked
As many as 13 million Americans don't have birth certificates
Here's one case, and note that this woman is a retired government employee
A Texas law that would have required voters to show photo identification, ruling that the legislation would impose “strict, unforgiving burdens” on poor minority voters.
Describing the law as the most stringent in the country, the unanimous decision by a three-judge panel marks the first time that a federal court has blocked a voter-ID law. It will reverberate politically through the November elections. Republicans and Democrats have been arguing over whether tough voter-ID laws in a number of states discriminate against African Americans and Hispanics.
The panel at the U.S. District Court in Washington ruled that Texas had failed to show that the statute would not harm the voting rights of minorities in the state. In addition, the judges found that evidence indicated that the cost of obtaining a photo ID to vote would fall most heavily on African American and Hispanic voters.
Evidence submitted by Texas to prove that its law did not discriminate was “unpersuasive, invalid, or both,” David S. Tatel, a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, wrote in the panel’s 56-page opinion. Voting Rights Act cases must be decided by a special panel of three federal judges.
The ruling followed a decision Tuesday by another three-judge panel in Washington that found the Republican-controlled Texas legislature had intentionally discriminated against Hispanics in drawing new legislative districts.
All kinds of records exist in all kinds of databases. It isn't hard to check if someone has a birth certificate or passport.
All kinds of records exist in all kinds of databases. It isn't hard to check if someone has a birth certificate or passport.
They don't verify citizenship because they can't.
I see....so it somehow or other makes sense that "someone" will check this information out but AZ is prohibited from doing so:roll: I get the impression that you haven't thought this through.
Your link claims that 13 million American citizens do not possess birth certificates. Almost all of them could obtain one and, if the process to do so isn't easy, it can be made easy. As for your counterexample, and I accept it as a valid one, it shouldn't be too difficult to devise a procedure to accomodate exceptions like Thelma Mitchell.
how is it limited to US citizens if you don't have to show you are one. please explain that if you can?It is limited to US citizens. We're you under the impression this has changed?
Your link claims that 13 million American citizens do not possess birth certificates. Almost all of them could obtain one and, if the process to do so isn't easy, it can be made easy. As for your counterexample, and I accept it as a valid one, it shouldn't be too difficult to devise a procedure to accomodate exceptions like Thelma Mitchell.
Really - and yet those of your political bent think governments spend too much money. Where are the government workers who can make the process "easy"? There are almost 500,000 fewer government employees since 2009
how is it limited to US citizens if you don't have to show you are one. please explain that if you can?
Making voting harder for people should always be treated with extreme scrutiny. It's not as simple as you think.
As an example, there was a DMV in Wisconsin open only 5 days a year. There are entire counties in the "black belt" of Georgia that don't have a single full-time DMV. By sheer coincidence, states with GOP legislatures pushing stricter voting laws have services aligned in a manner that would have a slightly disproportionate impact on Democrat voters. And you know what? Sometimes that's all it takes. A lot of elections are decided by a percent or two. If you can convince even one percent more Democrats to stay home because voting is a hassle than you do Republicans... Why not? And in the name of what? Stopping a small percent of the already tiny instance of voter fraud? Most voter fraud occurs in a manner that these ID laws wouldn't stop. For example: that previous statement about a daughter registering twice. IDs won't stop that. State election boards do that behind the scenes - and successfully.
Yeah, tell this sad story to the TSA next time you forget to bring your drivers license to the airport.
The Voting Rights Act was enacted to deal with chicanery such as you describe. No one is defending trickery like that.
Who doesn't have a birth certificate?
just went through all 12 pages and no one had a intelligent answer to explain how do we keep non citizens from voting12 pages of explaining has been done.
Making voting harder for people should always be treated with extreme scrutiny. It's not as simple as you think.
As an example, there was a DMV in Wisconsin open only 5 days a year. There are entire counties in the "black belt" of Georgia that don't have a single full-time DMV. By sheer coincidence, states with GOP legislatures pushing stricter voting laws have services aligned in a manner that would have a slightly disproportionate impact on Democrat voters. And you know what? Sometimes that's all it takes. A lot of elections are decided by a percent or two. If you can convince even one percent more Democrats to stay home because voting is a hassle than you do Republicans... Why not? And in the name of what? Stopping a small percent of the already tiny instance of voter fraud? Most voter fraud occurs in a manner that these ID laws wouldn't stop. For example: that previous statement about a daughter registering twice. IDs won't stop that. State election boards do that behind the scenes - and successfully.
Let me remind you that Algore didn't go to court demanding a statewide recount, he went to court demanding a recount in four heavily Democratic counties.
how is it limited to US citizens if you don't have to show you are one. please explain that if you can?
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