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A divided U.S. Supreme Court ruled on Monday that Kentucky cannot display framed copies of the Ten Commandments in county courthouses.
Justices left legal wiggle room, saying that some displays — like their own courtroom frieze — would be permissible if they’re portrayed neutrally in order to honor the nation’s legal history
shuamort said:
Read the second paragraph again in my post:Arthur Fonzarelli said:What are we going to about the Ten Commandments displayed at all other courthouses, including the Supreme Court? Especially when in many cases they are engraved into the building itself...? What are we going to do about all the Crosses at Arlington National Cemetery? Or, how about the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, where it states that here lies a soldier known but to God? Are we going to stop the president from saying "so help me God" at the conclusion of being sworn into office?
Justices left legal wiggle room, saying that some displays — like their own courtroom frieze — would be permissible if they’re portrayed neutrally in order to honor the nation’s legal history
shuamort said:Read the second paragraph again in my post:
But framed copies in two Kentucky courthouses went too far in endorsing religion, the court held.
"The touchstone for our analysis is the principle that the First Amendment mandates government neutrality between religion and religion, and between religion and nonreligion," Justice David H. Souter wrote for the majority.
"When the government acts with the ostensible and predominant purpose of advancing religion, it violates that central Establishment clause value of official religious neutrality," he said.
shuamort said:Here's more detailed info:
Themis? She falls under the ruling about the Texas 10 Commandments.Montalban said:Are the courts/government going to remove other religious symbols as well?
The statue of Justice, often seen around courthouses is pagan (it is a woman blindfolded, holding a sword in one hand and scales in the other).
Arthur Fonzarelli said:Are we going to stop the president from saying "so help me God" at the conclusion of being sworn into office?
Why wasn't the goddess of justice an issue unto itself?shuamort said:Themis? She falls under the ruling about the Texas 10 Commandments.
galenrox said:Nor am I. It was a big deal when a catholic got elected.
Before you keep going on, did you read the opinions?Montalban said:Why wasn't the goddess of justice an issue unto itself?
Seems to me that there's a bit of anti-Judeo-Christian stuff going on here.
Admittedly no, which link is relevant to the pagans?shuamort said:Before you keep going on, did you read the opinions?
Here ya goMontalban said:Admittedly no, which link is relevant to the pagans?
The only mention of the word pagan was...shuamort said:Here ya go
(I'd copy the relevant parts, but it's in pdf form, Grr).
shuamort said:In sum, we are persuaded that Texas does not violate the First Amendment by retaining a forty-two-year-old display of the decalogue. The Ten Commandments monument is part of a display of seventeen monuments, all located on grounds registered as a historical landmark, and it is carefully located between the Supreme Court Building and the Capitol Building housing the legislative and executive branches of government. We are not persuaded that a reasonable viewer touring the Capitol and its grounds, informed of its history and its placement, would conclude that the State is endorsing the religious rather than the secular message of the decalogue.
It's not direct, it's indirect. Read the opinion. There's the difference between symbology of Themis vs. the promotion of ancient greek mythology as a state religion. There's a difference between the state of Texas promoting the decagogue and displaying it as the symbology of it.Montalban said:The only mention of the word pagan was...
Did you have something more specific a reference in mind; or are you hopeful that it's there?
We're out of sync in our posts, because I've already responded to your generous reference.shuamort said:It's not direct, it's indirect. Read the opinion. There's the difference between symbology of Themis vs. the promotion of ancient greek mythology as a state religion. There's a difference between the state of Texas promoting the decagogue and displaying it as the symbology of it.
They are and they are not. LOL. Just like the 10 Commandments, they're religious, but the government is not pushing the religion. It's a very fine line.Montalban said:Excellent, that makes more sense. Thanks for the info.
I guess then the numerous crosses on grave-stones, which the Fed government may have paid for, and up-keeps, are not 'religious' ?
shuamort said:They are and they are not. LOL. Just like the 10 Commandments, they're religious, but the government is not pushing the religion. It's a very fine line.
Montalban said:Excellent, that makes more sense. Thanks for the info.
I guess then the numerous crosses on grave-stones, which the Fed government may have paid for, and up-keeps, are not 'religious' ?
SouthernDemocrat said:In that case, the government is not promoting or endorsing a religious believe, but rather it is respecting the religious belief of the individual that grave monument was provided for. For example, if you are Jewish, you don’t get a cross.
Montalban said:Why should they recognise the religion of the individual at all?
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