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I reject Christianity, and despise anti-abortionists. However, with regard to "closely held" companies like Hobby Lobby, which this ruling seems to be limited to, I agree with this decision. If it had been a corporation, (traded on a stock exchange), I would not support the decision.
I must be running in the wrong circles. I've never known anyone one that would just not buy birth control if it wasn't free. I've never known anyone that even tried to get it for free.
LOL....in my experience, Liberals are much more concerned about both the intended and unintended consequences than conservatives, who only seem to care how it affects them personally.
Nice try...but fail. The fact of the matter is that people who work for religion based companies are going to see less access to contraceptives as a result of this decision. The rest that follows is just simple common sense. Less access to contraceptives always = an increase in unwanted pregnancies = more abortion. They are going to just have to live with the consequences of their actions. I wonder how they feel about the blood that they will have on their hands?
In your opinion what is Hobby Lobby "true motive?
We're Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I've always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God's laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money.
Being Christians, we don't pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don't cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill.
That would have been even a sweeter rejection by the courts. And this is what Democrats get for shoving legislation down Americas throats. Obamacare was held up by the SCOTUS only to have it's legs broken. Limp baby limp!
Ok, what SCOTUS has ruled is that a company does not have to pay for birth control as part of their healthcare plan if it violates the religious beliefs of the company. It seems to me that only a very small number of companies would choose to not offer birth control coverage as its much cheaper to pay for contraception than to pay for child birth.
Just the same, being you can get a prescription for the pill as a generic at Target for 4 dollars, what is the big deal? It is cheaper to pay for the pill out of pocket than to pay for the prescription copay on most plans anyway.
I agree with this. They do have to draw a line somewhere, and opening it up to anyone who works as an executive at any open corporation anywhere would be just too damn messy.
I don't practice any religion either, and neither does Mr. Borrachos (who was raised in an uber-Catholic house - my parents were just disinterested in religion). My 3 kids are all non-religious, weren't even baptised or any of that. Gives my evil mother in law fits to this day. Oh well, lady!
In my opinion they just don't want to accrue cost.
This is a portion of a statement that Hobby Lobby Said:
Don't get me wrong. I applaud this courageous statement for Christianity.....If the company was actually living by it.
Here is another part of their statement:
Hmm. This is interesting considering that they Import billions of dollars of products from China. I will take it a step further by adding that they own a company (Hong Kong Connections, Ltd.) in China. Since Hobby Lobby owns a business in China, that means they pay taxes to the Chinese government. In fact, they pay the income tax for each employee by withholding the required percentage from the employee's gross pay. More importantly however, in this context, Hobby Lobby is also required by Chinese law to contribute to each employee's state-mandated health insurance plan, in this case the Urban Employee Basic Medical Insurance, to the tune of about 6% of the employee's pay.
That insurance not only likely covers abortion , it also covers contraception, including the four types of contraception Hobby Lobby objects to in their lawsuit against the HHS. IUDs are the most popular form of birth control among married women in China. Among single women ages 20-29, the age group that accounts for the majority of abortions in China, the use of emergency contraception like Plan B has increased steadily over the last decade.
What all of this means is that Hobby Lobby does in China exactly what it refuses to do in the US, namely pay into a state-mandated health insurance plan that covers types of contraceptive methods to which they object on moral grounds.
That would be pretty cool. The STFU part. But let's not let the facts get in the way. When you say "You guys", I'll assume you are referring to me as one of those who oppose this move. And yes I do. I loathe organized religion. I loathe the idea that your delusional beliefs in a book of fairy tales is influencing my life or that of my children. And as to the other religions, keep them the **** out of my government.
From the AP:
The justices' 5-4 decision Monday is the first time that the high court has ruled that profit-seeking businesses can hold religious views under federal law. And it means the Obama administration must search for a different way of providing free contraception to women who are covered under objecting companies' health insurance plans. News from The Associated Press
Why do we have to draw a line somewhere?
I also loathe organized religions.
But the owners of this company have religious beliefs that are protected by the Constitution, and since SCOTUS is tasked with upholding the Constitution, they made the right decision here. The owners of HL shouldn't be forced to give up their religious beliefs because of government any more than government should be forced to hold and/or agree with their religious beliefs.
How does this influence your children?
In my opinion they just don't want to accrue cost.
This is a portion of a statement that Hobby Lobby Said:
Don't get me wrong. I applaud this courageous statement for Christianity.....If the company was actually living by it.
Here is another part of their statement:
Hmm. This is interesting considering that they Import billions of dollars of products from China. I will take it a step further by adding that they own a company (Hong Kong Connections, Ltd.) in China. Since Hobby Lobby owns a business in China, that means they pay taxes to the Chinese government. In fact, they pay the income tax for each employee by withholding the required percentage from the employee's gross pay. More importantly however, in this context, Hobby Lobby is also required by Chinese law to contribute to each employee's state-mandated health insurance plan, in this case the Urban Employee Basic Medical Insurance, to the tune of about 6% of the employee's pay.
That insurance not only likely covers abortion , it also covers contraception, including the four types of contraception Hobby Lobby objects to in their lawsuit against the HHS. IUDs are the most popular form of birth control among married women in China. Among single women ages 20-29, the age group that accounts for the majority of abortions in China, the use of emergency contraception like Plan B has increased steadily over the last decade.
What all of this means is that Hobby Lobby does in China exactly what it refuses to do in the US, namely pay into a state-mandated health insurance plan that covers types of contraceptive methods to which they object on moral grounds.
That is what will happen too. Just because Republicans think discriminating against women is OK does not mean it will be tolerated. We will simply find other ways of paying for the affected woman's contraception. So Hobby Lobby will save a few bucks but that is IT.
What if a company claims that their religious beliefs preclude equal treatment of blacks or gays? Would you be just as OK with that?
What if a company claims that their religious beliefs preclude equal treatment of blacks or gays? Would you be just as OK with that?
Some Muslims beliefs include Sharia Law. Is following that also "protected by the Constitution"?
We aren't talking about blacks and gays. And there are laws to protect those people.
Where does personal responsibility reside in your world. Why would anyone take a job with a company whose policies violate their own personal beliefs. It isn't their money invested in the company and if they want to start their own business then they should do it.
No, we are talking about Women which apparently are devoid of rights.
No, we are talking about Women which apparently are devoid of rights.
Not wanting to pay for abortions is discrimination against women now?
Some people actually work because THEY NEED THE MONEY.
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