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Stupak sells out

Trade ya an Executive Order for your vote?

Hope and Change.
 
Did he sell out or get the agreement he wanted? How do you know otherwise?
If all he wanted was an executive order, he's an idiot.
 
The executive order isn't worth the paper it's printed on. It doesn't over-ride a bill signed into law... so is Stupak just stupid or is he a sell out? The latter ... but we already knew Democrats have no spine so this shouldn't be a surprise.
 
The executive order isn't worth the paper it's printed on. It doesn't over-ride a bill signed into law... so is Stupak just stupid or is he a sell out? The latter ... but we already knew Democrats have no spine so this shouldn't be a surprise.

Sounds like sour grapes on your part to me.
 
An executive order is the equivalent of used toilet paper.

Stupak just sold his soul to the devel. Or....his new Messiah.
 
An executive order is the equivalent of used toilet paper.

Stupak just sold his soul to the devel. Or....his new Messiah.

:rofl

Cry me a river.
 
40 states are about to sue the federal government. LOL

Good luck with all that.

What will be will be. Can't stop frivolous lawsuits from happening.

 
What will be will be. Can't stop frivolous lawsuits from happening.


When the vast majority of ATTORNEY GENERALS in the country file suit, it's not frivolous, buddy.

The government can not force you to buy a product. Period.
 
When the vast majority of ATTORNEY GENERALS in the country file suit, it's not frivolous, buddy.

The government can not force you to buy a product. Period.

Well, first that has to happen, and second, frivolous is frivolous no matter who fills. The person filing isn't what makes something frivolous or not.
 
Well, first that has to happen, and second, frivolous is frivolous no matter who fills. The person filing isn't what makes something frivolous or not.

What is so frivilous about pointing out that The Constitition can not usurp states rights and FORCE people to buy a product.

Pretty much a slam dunk case, though it'll probably take two years worth of appeals until it reaches the Supreme Court.
 
The executive order isn't worth the paper it's printed on. It doesn't over-ride a bill signed into law...

And yet, that is exactly how Bush and Cheeney used executive orders to ignore laws passed by Congress, and signed by Bush, to ignore the Constitution to authorize torture and strip us all of our rights to privacy! :doh
 
What is so frivilous about pointing out that The Constitition can not usurp states rights and FORCE people to buy a product.

Pretty much a slam dunk case, though it'll probably take two years worth of appeals until it reaches the Supreme Court.

You mean like auto insurance?

But nice change in topic. Don't mind the change, but nice to slip it in.
 
And yet, that is exactly how Bush and Cheeney used executive orders to ignore laws passed by Congress, and signed by Bush, to ignore the Constitution to authorize torture and strip us all of our rights to privacy! :doh
... and we all know two wrongs make a right!

:roll:
 
What is so frivilous about pointing out that The Constitition can not usurp states rights and FORCE people to buy a product.

Pretty much a slam dunk case, though it'll probably take two years worth of appeals until it reaches the Supreme Court.

Careful, Bush and George Tenet learned that the use of "slam dunk" is not the end-all of an argument. :lol:
 
You mean like auto insurance?

But nice change in topic. Don't mind the change, but nice to slip it in.

Not the same thing at all. The government can't force you to buy a car. That is a privilege.

They are going to force people to buy healthcare, or face a fine. They're hiring 16,000 additional IRS agents to enforce it, too.
 
Not the same thing at all. The government can't force you to buy a car. That is a privilege.

They are going to force people to buy healthcare, or face a fine. They're hiring 16,000 additional IRS agents to enforce it, too.

True, but the concept is the same. If you have a car, you are forced to buy insurance. Nuances aside, they are still forcing you to purchase something or face consequences. It really is similar.
 
True, but the concept is the same. If you have a car, you are forced to buy insurance. Nuances aside, they are still forcing you to purchase something or face consequences. It really is similar.

No, you buy insurance based on the PRIVILEGE of being able to drive on public roads and as insurance that you could could damage another person's property or person, not to mention your CAR, which the bank may actually own.

That's totally different.

This is being forced to buy a product because you are basically....alive. This is no different than forcing someone to buy a car.
 
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Same concept. What you see as a difference really isn't one. The government is still mandating that you buy it or face the consequences. And for much the same reason. Uninsured are payed for in this country by all of us. Just because you haven't been taxed doesn't mean you aren't paying. You pay in higher prices and higher premiums. And just as auto insurance sought to relieve the burden on others imposed by those who were irresponsible, so does requiring all have health insurance.

There is no real difference between the two.
 
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