[W:4,590] Study Finds Face Masks Didn’t Slow Spread Of Covid-19

[SarahSun]

Freedom in England was july19. Positive tests plummeting since. Interesting how they had freedom day at the peak of positive tests.. Mitigations do nothing against a respiratory virus.

 

[Fledermaus]

Freedom in England was july19. Positive tests plummeting since.

Twitter.....

Where all intelligent people go for medical information.

 

[snakestretcher]

Freedom in England was july19. Positive tests plummeting since. Interesting how they had freedom day at the peak of positive tests.. Mitigations do nothing against a respiratory virus.

Yes they do. It's non-compliance with regulations/recommendations which cause spikes in infection-just like the time the last lockdown restrictions were eased. Infections rates went through the roof here. A few weeks before we had several days where no new deaths were recorded and rates of infection hit an all-time low. By the way what's the source for your graph? Some guy you never heard of on Twitter?

Why Covid-19 cases are surging in the UK

Boris Johnson’s response is likely to blame for the country’s record-high case counts.

www.vox.com

 

[jaeger19]

What happens to the exhaled virus particles that exit the mask? Do they float? When someone infected is walking in front of you by 6ft are you walking into his exhaled particles?

Now can your mask stop his particles? Are said particles at levels capable of infecting?

Answers yes they float, you are breathing them in if they are released in front of you and you walk through the same path or there abouts, your mask can NOT stop them, and yes they are at levels necessary to infect.

What on earth has that mask really done?

Dr fauci answered this one last year when he said little to nothing!

Then we are led to believe they will protect us by people like you. All while knowing they are virtually useless in the professional model, completely useless in the homemade t-shirt material models.




When they admit fudging the numbers and you still don't believe it lol........you are beyond helping!

Well we went over this.
So.. exhaled particles.. immediately disperse. If you are wearing a mask.. those that get by the mask get diverted upwards, backwards, and and some forwards. downwards. . Most of the particles begin falling particularly heavier particles. Some of them if aerosoled will hang in the air and fall, or go upward or sideways depending on air currents. Better ventilation and air movement contributes to great disbursement. The zone in which you are going to inhale particles is rather small. Basically those that are at mouth/nose heights.
So.. if you are walking behind someone who is not wearing a mask. You are unlikely to get infected if you stay 6 feet away.. as the amount of virus that you inhale is incapable of overcoming your immune system.
IF that person is wearing a mask.. your chances of becoming infected drop even more as the mask traps larger more water droplets with high viral load and also traps smaller viral particles as well and causes more dispersion
IF you are wearing a mask as well. The chances of infection decrease even further because YOUR mask will remove and thus reduce viral particles that you inhale.
You are simply wrong.

 

[Daddyo]

You 'win'? What is this, a kid's game? What's the prize?

A debate! Are you that far gone?

 

[Daddyo]

Lets see your links.
the preponderance of evidence is that its not effective.

No more evidence needed. Already posted. Stay ignorant....Doc!

In the evidence I posted they addressed the early problems with Hydroxychloroquine. Given to late (to the gravely ill) it not only didn't help but it caused even more problems for the patient. Given early it saves lives.

 

[Daddyo]

He hasn't so far.

What I find hilarious is how you liberals can profess to be so educated and enlightened, so on top of the issues compared to the Neanderthals that you lower yourselves to debate, yet you don’t even know Fauci role in the biggest pandemic and economic disaster in our lifetimes.

This is multiple times that you all have been completely ignorant to a major component in this debate.

It's not very fun debating when your opponents are just flat out ignorant and lazy!

 

[The AntiDonald]

MIT researchers say time spent indoors increases risk of Covid at 6 feet or 60 feet in new study challenging social distancing policies

The CDC and WHO guidelines fail to factor in the amount of time spent indoors, which increases the chance of transmission the longer people are inside.

www.cnbc.com

Maybe next time read the whole sourced article instead of cherry-picked excerpts.

All these mask deniers won't have to worry in the future as vaccine mandates are coming. They've already started in many places including the federal governments biggest agency, the VA.

Get the vaccine or get tested once a week or find a new job. The three future choices in life. The exception being someone who has a verified medical excuse for not vaccinating.

And the talk is, the unvaccinated will pay for their own testing.

 

[Fledermaus]

What I find hilarious is how you liberals can profess to be so educated and enlightened, so on top of the issues compared to the Neanderthals that you lower yourselves to debate, yet you don’t even know Fauci role in the biggest pandemic and economic disaster in our lifetimes.

This is multiple times that you all have been completely ignorant to a major component in this debate.

It's not very fun debating when your opponents are just flat out ignorant and lazy!

What I find hilarious is how you keep trying to make this a "liberal" thing. That dog don't hunt son.

It is the medical professionals world wide vs. the intentionally ignorant such as yourself.

 

[SarahSun]

Here is another chart from England since freedom day and the end of the mask forcing. I appauld them for doing it at the peak of positive tests. Mitigations do absolutely nothing. Freedom day was july 19. Its beyond dispute now that a respiratory virus is going to spread regardless of any mitigation.

 

[Fledermaus]

Here is another chart from England since freedom day and the end of the mask forcing. I appauld them for doing it at the peak of positive tests. Mitigations do absolutely nothing. Freedom day was july 19. Its beyond dispute now that a respiratory virus is going to spread regardless of any mitigation.

Twitter... The communication medium of medical experts everywhere.

 

[Logophile]

I have been saying this for over a year. Plenty of examples here at DP

Mask don’t work

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Study Finds Face Masks Didn’t Slow Spread Of Covid-19​

The first ecological study of state mask mandates and their use to include data from the winter case spike has found that widespread mask-wearing likely didn’t slow the spread of COVID-19.

The study, conducted by the University of Louisville using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that “80% of US states mandated masks during the COVID-19 pandemic,” but while “mandates induced greater mask compliance, [they] did not predict lower growth rates when community spread was low (minima) or high (maxima).” The study also found that “mask mandates and use are not associated with lower SARS-CoV-2 spread among US states.”

Study Finds Face Masks Didn’t Slow Spread Of Covid-19 | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

What an incomplete study. And yes, masks do work - obviously - or we would hardly have any health care professionals left. The public was being misled. Information was erratic at best. It was on again, off again Finnegan with regard to masks, and the masks that definitively inhibited the spread weren't available to the public, namely the N95s. But it's obvious that social distancing and masks DID make a dent or we'd still be scouring shelves for toilet paper. The virus took a hit. It's on the rise again because people are being told it's okay NOT to wear any protective face masks because they're vaccinated, and nothing could be less true. They're not only getting infected, they're now spreaders. Stupid, these studies. Probably some ambitious Louisville grad student came up with this thing, and the university wanted publicity aka more funds so ran with it. Thanks!!

 

[Daddyo]

Look up the word 'mitigation' and see if anything registers.

I fully know what mitigation is!

A bullet resistant vest that only stops 20-30 percent of the rounds impacting it, is mitigating. However when each assault allows multiple projectiles to pass through, the vest wearer is in jeopardy of death every time they are attacked while wearing it. The above vest therefore cannot keep you safe. Luck likely plays a bigger role.

The mask allows potentially fatal exposure with each and every breath. The 20 to 30 percent mitigation, according to the CDC, still leaves you exposed to infection and death. At no time can a mask prevent exposure! It's being sold as a tool to prevent exposure. It cannot!

We dont know why some become infected and others don't when they are exposed to the same infected person at the same time. Example 5 friends playing cards for 2 hours with exposed person all masked up. 2 get infected and 2 don't. Why? We don't know why. What we do know is that the mask couldn't help anyone.

 

[Fledermaus]

I fully know what mitigation is!

A bullet resistant vest that only stops 20-30 percent of the rounds impacting it, is mitigating. However when each assault allows multiple projectiles to pass through, the vest wearer is in jeopardy of death every time they are attacked while wearing it. The above vest therefore cannot keep you safe. Luck likely plays a bigger role.

The mask allows potentially fatal exposure with each and every breath. The 20 to 30 percent mitigation, according to the CDC, still leaves you exposed to infection and death. At no time can a mask prevent exposure! It's being sold as a tool to prevent exposure. It cannot!

We dont know why some become infected and others don't when they are exposed to the same infected person at the same time. Example 5 friends playing cards for 2 hours with exposed person all masked up. 2 get infected and 2 don't. Why? We don't know why. What we do know is that the mask couldn't help anyone.

What do the experts say?

 

[snakestretcher]

What do the experts say?

Who needs experts when you have youtube?

 

[jaeger19]

No more evidence needed. Already posted. Stay ignorant....Doc!

In the evidence I posted they addressed the early problems with Hydroxychloroquine. Given to late (to the gravely ill) it not only didn't help but it caused even more problems for the patient. Given early it saves lives.

Yeah.. sorry but your study has been disproved by the preponderance of evidence. There are studies that also show that given early had no effect.

Effect of Early Treatment With Hydroxychloroquine or Lopinavir and Ritonavir on Risk of Hospitalization Among Patients With COVID-19​

This randomized clinical trial was conducted in Brazil. Recently symptomatic adults diagnosed with respiratory symptoms from SARS-CoV-2 infection were enrolled between June 2 and September 30, 2020. The planned sample size was 1476 patients, with interim analyses planned after 500 patients were enrolled. The trial was stopped after the interim analysis for futility with a sample size of 685 patients
Conclusions and Relevance In this randomized clinical trial, neither hydroxychloroquine nor lopinavir-ritonavir showed any significant benefit for decreasing COVID-19–associated hospitalization or other secondary clinical outcomes.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2779044

Please stop spreading lies.

 

[Daddyo]

You haven't got the vaguest idea what you're talking about. You seem to have forgotten that we've had 18 months of this pandemic, and what may have been said at the onset, and what we have learned in the interim, changes as we learn more. We're still learning, but you insist on bringing up comments from months ago as your 'evidence'.

This would be a good excuse IF they didn't know the virus was airborne from the onset! Which they did!

This would be a good excuse IF they didn't know that virus cannot be stopped by masks from the onset! Which they did!

So the things that we have learned have no bearing on this topic. Covid is very contagious we learned..........doesn't change the fact that masks can't stop it. It is very bad for the old and the obese we learned.......doesn't change mask efficacy. So again the things we have learned about masks didn't change from what we knew already. Yet another snippet of proof that YOU in fact are the one who doesn't have a freaking clue.

So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, please explain what was learned about this virus that changed from what they already knew that would explain the change in mask efficacy. This should be good lol.

 

[Fledermaus]

This would be a good excuse IF they didn't know the virus was airborne from the onset! Which they did!

This would be a good excuse IF they didn't know that virus cannot be stopped by masks from the onset! Which they did!

So the things that we have learned have no bearing on this topic. Covid is very contagious we learned..........doesn't change the fact that masks can't stop it. It is very bad for the old and the obese we learned.......doesn't change mask efficacy. So again the things we have learned about masks didn't change from what we knew already. Yet another snippet of proof that YOU in fact are the one who doesn't have a freaking clue.

So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, please explain what was learned about this virus that changed from what they already knew that would explain the change in mask efficacy. This should be good lol.

Masks don't work = Lie.

Masks don't work 100% = Not a lie.

 

[Daddyo]

You haven't got the vaguest idea what you're talking about. You seem to have forgotten that we've had 18 months of this pandemic, and what may have been said at the onset, and what we have learned in the interim, changes as we learn more. We're still learning, but you insist on bringing up comments from months ago as your 'evidence'.

This would be a good excuse IF they didn't know the virus was airborne from the onset! Which they did!

This would be a good excuse IF they didn't know that virus cannot be stopped by masks from the onset! Which they did!

So the things that we have learned have no bearing on this topic. Covid is very contagious we learned..........doesn't change the fact that masks can't stop it. It is very bad for the old and the obese we learned.......doesn't change mask efficacy. So again the things we have learned about masks didn't change from what we knew already. Yet another snippet of proof that YOU in fact are the one who doesn't have a freaking clue.

So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, please explain what was learned about this virus that changed from what they already knew that would explain the change in mask efficacy. This should be good lol.

 

[jaeger19]

This would be a good excuse IF they didn't know the virus was airborne from the onset! Which they did!

This would be a good excuse IF they didn't know that virus cannot be stopped by masks from the onset! Which they did!

So the things that we have learned have no bearing on this topic. Covid is very contagious we learned..........doesn't change the fact that masks can't stop it. It is very bad for the old and the obese we learned.......doesn't change mask efficacy. So again the things we have learned about masks didn't change from what we knew already. Yet another snippet of proof that YOU in fact are the one who doesn't have a freaking clue.

So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, please explain what was learned about this virus that changed from what they already knew that would explain the change in mask efficacy. This should be good lol.

Stop your lies.. and wear a mask when indoors in public.
You have been proven wrong at every point. YOU are the reason that we have to start wearing masks again.. STOP!

You have no idea what you are talking about... and are making things worse.

 

[joko104]

Maybe the reason so many progressives - many so easily offended by anything - so much demand no hugging, kissing, sex - the most sexual puritan Americans since the original Puritans. The only difference is that saying Satan's demons will take control of you and kill you from eternal life, they claim cooties will kill of you don't stay at least 6 feet away from everyone. Even the Puritans weren't that prudish!

Or is it because this give excuse maybe no one wants to be around them - or that they can feel superior being a social recluse afraid to go into public?

Me? Give up hugging and kissing because of cooties? Yeah, like when hell freezes over. It's not until condoms become a consideration... But even that doesn't really work because they still claim you must not kiss anyone even if they passed the covid-19 test, don't they? Even if vaccinated. DON'T TOUCH ANY ONE! Ever. Not last year. Not this year. If you do, you are no different than a mass murderer and could kill yourself and your entire family!

 

[Daddyo]

You probably aren't aware that there are several more variants 'of interest' lurking, and about which we are still learning. I wouldn't rely on complacency to keep you safe.

SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern as of 15 March 2024

ECDC regularly assesses new evidence on variants detected through epidemic intelligence, rules-based genomic variant screening or other scientific sources.

www.ecdc.europa.eu

Don't care about variants! They are almost always less deadly as in the case of delta.

So if the variant is less deadly than the original why are they talking lockdowns and masks again???????? Power and money!

 

[Fledermaus]

Don't care about variants! They are almost always less deadly as in the case of delta.

So if the variant is less deadly than the original why are they talking lockdowns and masks again???????? Power and money!

Except when they aren't.

Do you have prior knowledge as to the fatality rate for the next variant?

 

[Ethel2]

Don't care about variants! They are almost always less deadly as in the case of delta.

So if the variant is less deadly than the original why are they talking lockdowns and masks again???????? Power and money!

You haven't a clue about how mutations work yet you spout off as if you are some sort of expert, stating things as factual when in truth they are figments of your imagination.

Here. Educate yourself:

Moreover, the role of natural selection in virus evolution is not easily predicted, rendering rampant speculation around the evolutionary trajectory of a virus during a nascent outbreak investigation especially problematic. The pervasive claim that a virus will mutate to become more virulent during an outbreak is particularly illustrative of this phenomenon, even though this spectre of a ‘super killer’ virus is baseless. In reality, the evolution of virulence is a highly complex topic that has inspired extensive research on evolutionary theory and debate6. Mutations can also make a virus either more or less virulent. A common idea is that virulence will only change — either upwards or downwards — if it increases the transmission rate of the virus, which effectively means an increase in the number of virus ‘offspring’. However, high virulence may (although by no means always) reduce transmissibility if the host is too sick to expose others. Without information on the precise evolutionary forces and selection pressures in operation, predicting how virulence might evolve is an extremely difficult and perhaps futile task.

We shouldn’t worry when a virus mutates during disease outbreaks

Mutation. The word naturally conjures fears of unexpected and freakish changes. Ill-informed discussions of mutations thrive during virus outbreaks, including the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2. In reality, mutations are a natural part of the virus life ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[snakestretcher]

Don't care about variants! They are almost always less deadly as in the case of delta.

So if the variant is less deadly than the original why are they talking lockdowns and masks again???????? Power and money!

Why are you assuming you know more about how variants behave than those whose business it is to know? Like I said; you have no idea what you're talking about.