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[W:4,590] Study Finds Face Masks Didn’t Slow Spread Of Covid-19

jaeger19 said:
No. To make sure that the medication being given doesn't 1. React with other medications prescribed.
2. Is the appropriate medication for the patients problem
3. That the medication is the appropriate dose for tge patient.

Pharmacists are an essential check to prevent medication errors and inappropriate prescriptions..
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That is correct. That is not what happened. Because it was hydroxy, he questioned the need for it. They have chemistry degrees. They are not a MD
 
Paradoxical said:
That is correct. That is not what happened. Because it was hydroxy, he questioned the need for it. They have chemistry degrees. They are not a MD
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That's right..he is more knowledgeable about medicines than an MD. Which is why pharmacists exist.
The pharmacist should not have filled the prescription and the MD should not have written it. They both likely violated their practice acts and state and federal regulations.
 
Fledermaus said:
Please lie again.

Have you found where in HIPAA regulations it prohibits a pharmacist about asking for information?

Yes or No?
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This topic is closed for me. I have no time for your childlike postings.
 
We have a supposed Dr. member of our DP community refusing to warn us about the amount of exposure we face with each encounter with a sick person even with masks on! Just to win a debate no less!

You are breathing in covid many times more than what is necessary to get you sick every time someone sick exhales!!!!

Not with a sneeze or cough as they led me to believe nope just normal breathing! They knew and didn't tell us! Dr J knows and won't tell us.

It's pathetic!
 
Daddyo said:
We have a supposed Dr. member of our DP community refusing to warn us about the amount of exposure we face with each encounter with a sick person even with masks on! Just to win a debate no less!

You are breathing in covid many times more than what is necessary to get you sick every time someone sick exhales!!!!

Not with a sneeze or cough as they led me to believe nope just normal breathing! They knew and didn't tell us! Dr J knows and won't tell us.

It's pathetic!
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What are you babbling about now?

Is this directed at anyone in particular?
 
Fledermaus said:
There you go intentionally ignoring the role of the mask in preventing transmission.
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I have asked a question many times for which I get no answer.

If a good mask cannot reduce the exhaled viral load to less than what is necessary to infect, then how is it preventing transmission? What study shows that the 70 to 80 percent of remaining viral load, which is many many times more than necessary to infect, reduces the infection rate?

And you have ignored the EVIDENCE PROVING YOU ARE BEING EXPOSED WITH EACH BREATH!

You have also ignored the many negatives of mask wearing which has caused deaths!

False sense of safety which caused the decision to venture out into harms way ultimately leading to infection.

More hands to the face increasing infection chances.

Masks harbor many other nasty diseases.
 
Daddyo said:
I have asked a question many times for which I get no answer.

If a good mask cannot reduce the exhaled viral load to less than what is necessary to infect, then how is it preventing transmission? What study shows that the 70 to 80 percent of remaining viral load, which is many many times more than necessary to infect, reduces the infection rate?

And you have ignored the EVIDENCE PROVING YOU ARE BEING EXPOSED WITH EACH BREATH!

You have also ignored the many negatives of mask wearing which has caused deaths!

False sense of safety which caused the decision to venture out into harms way ultimately leading to infection.

More hands to the face increasing infection chances.

Masks harbor many other nasty diseases.
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More ranting....

The mechanics have been explained and linked to ad nauseum.

Your comprehension failure is a YOU problem and not a ME problem.
 
Daddyo said:
We have a supposed Dr. member of our DP community refusing to warn us about the amount of exposure we face with each encounter with a sick person even with masks on! Just to win a debate no less!

You are breathing in covid many times more than what is necessary to get you sick every time someone sick exhales!!!!

Not with a sneeze or cough as they led me to believe nope just normal breathing! They knew and didn't tell us! Dr J knows and won't tell us.

It's pathetic!
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The best defense against getting infected is to hole up at home with no outside contact.
The second best defense is to get vaccinated, as you have. This almost entirely avoids serious illness from Covid.
The third best alternative is to wear a good mask and stay as far away from others as possible, especially indoors.
I propose an experiment that I invite you and others here that would undeniably prove without a doubt that masks reduce transmission.
There will be four groups of 500 people each.
Group 1: coughing Covid positive people, no mask
Group 2: coughing Covid positive people masked in another room
Group 3: covid negative people unmasked in room 1
Group 4: Covid negative people again unmasked in room 2

I invite you and a few others here into room 1.
This is the ONLY way to definitively prove that masks help.
Interested?
 
While I won’t debate anyone about the benefits of wearing a face mask I did find this interesting article about it.
The definitive study on the subject will never be done because it’s unethical. Sometimes you actually have to use your head and put two and two together:

www.ucsf.edu

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
www.ucsf.edu www.ucsf.edu
 
jaeger19 said:
Nope you didn't. Most of your links are completely unrelated to the subject or often contradict what you say. So lets see them again.

Masks have been proven to reduce the spread of the virus. That is pretty much incontrovertible based on the plethora of literature.

Now you say.. "but but but.. how can that be Jaeger if it only stops 20 to 30 percent of viral load".

Well.. thats because it stops 20 to 30 percent of viral load.. even if it stop say 10 percent of viral load.. it would be effective.

You simply don;t understand how a person gets infected.

First.. the minute you exhale through a mask.. guess what? the breath doesn;t go in a straight line away from you. Some of that exhalation, goes upward.. some of it goes downward and back.. and some through it.
THAT REDUCES THE DISTANCE THAT THE VIRUS WILL TRAVEL. Which reduces the distance in which you have to stay away from that person so as to not get infected.
So if there is an infected person not wearing a mask breathing.. the distance from which you would have to be from him not to be infected could be 6 feet or more (depending on if he coughs etc).
Wearing a mask.. that distance could be reduced to 3 feet or even closer. Which means.. simply that there is less opportunity to be infected.

Just that.. reduces infection.

then is the fact that it takes out larger particles if you cough or sneeze.. large droplets that are much more likely to carry a large viral load that could end up in your respiratory tract. Wearing a masks reduces these.. which reduces the chance of getting infected.

Now when you exhale?. that viral load immediately begins to disperse. So that means that yes.. the total number of virus particles might be enough to cause infection.. BUT.. if that total viral load is spread out by say 10 feet because of a mask? think about how long it would take to breath that in..

You seem to think when a person exhales.. they exhale right into the lungs of everyone else. Unless you are making out with strangers.. thats not happening when you are going to walmart.
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What happens to the exhaled virus particles that exit the mask? Do they float? When someone infected is walking in front of you by 6ft are you walking into his exhaled particles?

Now can your mask stop his particles? Are said particles at levels capable of infecting?

Answers yes they float, you are breathing them in if they are released in front of you and you walk through the same path or there abouts, your mask can NOT stop them, and yes they are at levels necessary to infect.

What on earth has that mask really done?

Dr fauci answered this one last year when he said little to nothing!

Then we are led to believe they will protect us by people like you. All while knowing they are virtually useless in the professional model, completely useless in the homemade t-shirt material model
 
Daddyo said:
What happens to the exhaled virus particles that exit the mask? Do they float? When someone infected is walking in front of you by 6ft are you walking into his exhaled particles?

Now can your mask stop his particles? Are said particles at levels capable of infecting?

Answers yes they float, you are breathing them in if they are released in front of you and you walk through the same path or there abouts, your mask can NOT stop them, and yes they are at levels necessary to infect.

What on earth has that mask really done?

Dr fauci answered this one last year when he said little to nothing!

Then we are led to believe they will protect us by people like you. All while knowing they are virtually useless in the professional model, completely useless in the homemade t-shirt material model
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Asked and answered ad nauseum....
 
jaeger19 said:
Nope you didn't. Most of your links are completely unrelated to the subject or often contradict what you say. So lets see them again.

Masks have been proven to reduce the spread of the virus. That is pretty much incontrovertible based on the plethora of literature.

Now you say.. "but but but.. how can that be Jaeger if it only stops 20 to 30 percent of viral load".

Well.. thats because it stops 20 to 30 percent of viral load.. even if it stop say 10 percent of viral load.. it would be effective.

You simply don;t understand how a person gets infected.

First.. the minute you exhale through a mask.. guess what? the breath doesn;t go in a straight line away from you. Some of that exhalation, goes upward.. some of it goes downward and back.. and some through it.
THAT REDUCES THE DISTANCE THAT THE VIRUS WILL TRAVEL. Which reduces the distance in which you have to stay away from that person so as to not get infected.
So if there is an infected person not wearing a mask breathing.. the distance from which you would have to be from him not to be infected could be 6 feet or more (depending on if he coughs etc).
Wearing a mask.. that distance could be reduced to 3 feet or even closer. Which means.. simply that there is less opportunity to be infected.

Just that.. reduces infection.

then is the fact that it takes out larger particles if you cough or sneeze.. large droplets that are much more likely to carry a large viral load that could end up in your respiratory tract. Wearing a masks reduces these.. which reduces the chance of getting infected.

Now when you exhale?. that viral load immediately begins to disperse. So that means that yes.. the total number of virus particles might be enough to cause infection.. BUT.. if that total viral load is spread out by say 10 feet because of a mask? think about how long it would take to breath that in..

You seem to think when a person exhales.. they exhale right into the lungs of everyone else. Unless you are making out with strangers.. thats not happening when you are going to walmart.
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What happens to the exhaled virus particles that exit the mask? Do they float? When someone infected is walking in front of you by 6ft are you walking into his exhaled particles?

Now can your mask stop his particles? Are said particles at levels capable of infecting?

Answers yes they float, you are breathing them in if they are released in front of you and you walk through the same path or there abouts, your mask can NOT stop them, and yes they are at levels necessary to infect.

What on earth has that mask really done?

Dr fauci answered this one last year when he said little to nothing!

Then we are led to believe they will protect us by people like you. All while knowing they are virtually useless in the professional model, completely useless in the homemade t-shirt material models.



Fledermaus said:
More disinformation, ignorance and general CT garbage....
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When they admit fudging the numbers and you still don't believe it lol........you are beyond helping!
 
snakestretcher said:
Oh, so now Fauci is corrupt? I suggest you quit throwing wild accusations around unless you can prove your allegations. You can, right?
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Yes! Fauci's group has ties to the funding of the gain of function research in Wuhan that likely caused this epidemic.

Fauci admits to the funding but in his testimony and back and forth with Dr rand paul he claimed the research was not gain of function. In the lab they manipulated a virus so that it would be more infectious to humans. Rand Paul claimed that is gain of function and fauci said no it isn't. Then rand Paul produced a letter from Dr fauci describing gain of function as the manipulation of a virus to make it more infectious to humans.

Now im quit sure that you will come up with something to ignore the facts but fauci is corrupt. Fauci is saying and doing all he can to cover his tracks in an effort to protect himself from responsibility for killing millions.
 
Daddyo said:
Yes! Fauci's group has ties to the funding of the gain of function research in Wuhan that likely caused this epidemic.

Fauci admits to the funding but in his testimony and back and forth with Dr rand paul he claimed the research was not gain of function. In the lab they manipulated a virus so that it would be more infectious to humans. Rand Paul claimed that is gain of function and fauci said no it isn't. Then rand Paul produced a letter from Dr fauci describing gain of function as the manipulation of a virus to make it more infectious to humans.

Now im quit sure that you will come up with something to ignore the facts but fauci is corrupt. Fauci is saying and doing all he can to cover his tracks in an effort to protect himself from responsibility for killing millions.
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You have already been told that gain-of-function research is crucial if we are to learn how viruses mutate, and what forms those mutations, benign or malign, might take. Rand Paul knows nothing about virology; he's an eye doctor. You, as usual, have nothing and you're clueless about what gain-of-function research entails. If you want to know what corruption really is you need look no further than the ignorant thief and fraudster who lost the last presidential election in your country; Donald J. Trump.
Read, learn, and get back to me if you have any questions-and do try to curb your ridiculous hyperbole about some absurd claim that Fauci is responsible for "killing millions".
www.news-medical.net

What is Gain-of-Function Research?

Gain-of-function research is the serial passaging of microorganisms to increase transmissibility, virulence, immunogenicity, and host tropism.
www.news-medical.net www.news-medical.net
 
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Daddyo said:
When they admit fudging the numbers and you still don't believe it lol........you are beyond helping!
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When all the CDC, the WHO and practically every other legit health organization disagrees with you and you still don't comprehend it lol........you are beyond helping!
 
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