I'm from the government and I am here to help.
I hope the student wins.**** like this could be used to used to breed compliance with government and corporate monitoring of what we do.
Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker | Threat Level | Wired.com
A Texas high school student is being suspended for refusing to wear a student ID card implanted with a radio-frequency identification chip.
Northside Independent School District in San Antonio began issuing the RFID-chip-laden student-body cards when the semester began in the fall. The ID badge has a bar code associated with a student’s Social Security number, and the RFID chip monitors pupils’ movements on campus, from when they arrive until when they leave.
Radio-frequency identification devices are a daily part of the electronic age — found in passports, and library and payment cards. Eventually they’re expected to replace bar-code labels on consumer goods. Now schools across the nation are slowly adopting them as well.
The suspended student, sophomore Andrea Hernandez, was notified by the Northside Independent School District in San Antonio that she won’t be able to continue attending John Jay High School unless she wears the badge around her neck, which she has been refusing to do. The district said the girl, who objects on privacy and religious grounds, beginning Monday would have to attend another high school in the district that does not yet employ the RFID tags.
The Rutherford Institute said it would go to court and try to nullify the district’s decision. The institute said that the district’s stated purpose for the program — to enhance their coffers — is “fundamentally disturbing.”
“There is something fundamentally disturbing about this school district’s insistence on steamrolling students into complying with programs that have nothing whatsoever to do with academic priorities and everything to do with fattening school coffers,” said John Whitehead, the institute’s president.
Just trying to make the younger generation complacent, so they don't question when these actions are brought forth on a grander scale in the future. Thanks for keeping us "safe" Big Brother.
What sickens me the most are all these supposed Americans whom cheer and applaud the death of freedom.
how can wearing this device work to the student's detriment?
Why should an individual succumb to big brother monitoring? The school has no license for this amount of infringement. This isn't one of those "if you're not doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about" bs areas. I applaud anyone who stands against aggressive and unwarranted policing. Could Big Brother keep us safer? Maybe, but that's not license for using it.
i missed the part where you described how wearing this device works to the student's detrimentWhy should an individual succumb to big brother monitoring? The school has no license for this amount of infringement. This isn't one of those "if you're not doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about" bs areas. I applaud anyone who stands against aggressive and unwarranted policing. Could Big Brother keep us safer? Maybe, but that's not license for using it.
I see no conern over this in a rights or freedom regard.
Before the tags the students have no rights or freedoms to go anywhere on school property they please and any time they want
after the tags, that still remains true but can now me monitored me efficiently :shrug:
nothing is lost
The same is true in public, would you object to being forced to carrying RFID when you are not in your own home? Nothing lost, yes?
I hope the student wins.**** like this could be used to used to breed compliance with government and corporate monitoring of what we do.
Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker | Threat Level | Wired.com
A Texas high school student is being suspended for refusing to wear a student ID card implanted with a radio-frequency identification chip.
Northside Independent School District in San Antonio began issuing the RFID-chip-laden student-body cards when the semester began in the fall. The ID badge has a bar code associated with a student’s Social Security number, and the RFID chip monitors pupils’ movements on campus, from when they arrive until when they leave.
Radio-frequency identification devices are a daily part of the electronic age — found in passports, and library and payment cards. Eventually they’re expected to replace bar-code labels on consumer goods. Now schools across the nation are slowly adopting them as well.
The suspended student, sophomore Andrea Hernandez, was notified by the Northside Independent School District in San Antonio that she won’t be able to continue attending John Jay High School unless she wears the badge around her neck, which she has been refusing to do. The district said the girl, who objects on privacy and religious grounds, beginning Monday would have to attend another high school in the district that does not yet employ the RFID tags.
The Rutherford Institute said it would go to court and try to nullify the district’s decision. The institute said that the district’s stated purpose for the program — to enhance their coffers — is “fundamentally disturbing.”
“There is something fundamentally disturbing about this school district’s insistence on steamrolling students into complying with programs that have nothing whatsoever to do with academic priorities and everything to do with fattening school coffers,” said John Whitehead, the institute’s president.
When I was in High School...I made consistent good grades. Sometimes I felt like leaving and did so...was it skipping? Yes it was, but that happened back in the day.
School kids are being herded in these schools like inmates. They don't have the freedom to wear a hat in school, a certain color, or sometimes they can't even wear the clothes they want. It is an egregious violation of freedom. We try to teach our kids the value of freedom by taking them away?
Schools have one job to do...teach the kids. That is it. They have no obligation to track them or see where they are within that school. While the kid is on campus...they are under the school supervision...if that kid leaves...that school is no longer responsible. The teenager has decided to take on the responsibility for themselves. Guess what? 16-18 year olds like the idea of freedom of what they do. The school can not be an institution of control and imprisonment for 8 hours a day. It needs to be a place of freedom of expression, and academics.
I would be outraged as a parent if the school had this on my child. I want the school to let ME do the parenting and they can do the teaching. While my kid is in school, I know they may choose to skip...if they are keeping up their grades...what is the problem? If he skips and doesn't keep up the grades...well I'll find out why and use appropriate punishment.
Freedom is NOT safe people. It is not meant to be. To allow a school to herd around your kids at school like a bunch of inmates in a prison goes against the very fabric of freedom and good parenting.
I think the school is foolish to implement RFID tagging. Since they have the ability to track the whereabouts of each student, don't they also have an obligation to actually monitor this?
What I'm getting at is this - say a student sneaks off campus, heads to the wrong part of town to buy weed, and gets shot. Now, thanks to the RFID tags informing the school of the student's whereabouts, the school is partially liable for what happened to the student.
By implementing this program, the school is assuming additional responsibilities and liabilities that I doubt the school is prepared to handle from a staffing and financial perspective.
this doesnt change and risk of liablity
I agree this is too much.
What's worrisome is the next step. When do businesses, other government branches, and eventually most citizens are required to wear these chips? I can see this concept spreading and becoming more sophisticated.
I appreciate your opinion, but we'll have to disagree on this one.
the bolded is 100% false, the school most definitely has the obligation to know where the kids are on school property. they simply do not have the right to be anywhere on school property they choose at anytime if the school doesnt want that.
as far as hats and stuff, my OPINION of that stuff my agree with you but no rights or freedoms are lost or violated.
some business and government branches already do it on site, its their right to do so. My work does this, we are a secured facility.
What "next step" are you referring too
sorry they are not true, its not the students property and they have no right to go where they want where they please, this is just a factThe bolded things are true. What if a student is merely using the restroom, or running an errand for the teach? Should school administrators be tracking them electronically within that school? No. The assumption is always that they are up to no good, but that isn't always the case. Here's what you do...if you don't want students in a particular location...lock the doors to it, or have someone looking at the area.
Students shouldn't look at a school like it is a prison. While they are on campus...they should go to class. Of course, but if they don't..well their grades will suffer and likewise their hides from their parents. The assumption that the school should know a students whereabouts at all times is flawed. The student understands there are consequences if they break rules and are caught doing so, but not all students who are in the halls while class is in session are necessarily doing anything terrible.
There is a such a thing as going too far, and I believe electronic tracking is going too far.
I wonder to what extent this ID-chipping will go.
i missed the part where you described how wearing this device works to the student's detriment
as to what, give me an example
I dont really by into slippery slopes to much with out logical reason.
uhm no these are not even close to the same thing, there are many places outside of my home that i am free to go to anytime i please when ever i want. SO sorry that example is a HUGE failure.
however are you free to come into my home anytime you want whenever you want? nope
do i have the right to monitor you if you do? yep
sorry nothing IS lost.
Right now my kid is at school and they dont have tags, they most certainly cant go anywhere in the building they want at anytime the want.
1.)Many places in the school students are free to go during school time as well. Is it a huge failure only because you cannot rectify these two uses of authoritative force and wish to deflect away?
So long as I am not forced onto your property, such as the use of government force mandating school attendance.
"Nothing is lost" is not valid argument for expansion of force. A man has a right to keep himself, his property, his effects, and his papers from unwarranted search and seizure. In today's electronic world where it is possible to monitor location, that becomes part of my papers. If you have WARRANT to monitor my position, then by all means. Otherwise, bugger off.
And they most certainly are not prevented from going anywhere either. So what's your point here? This little "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear" argument you've constructed? Those are almost always a sign that what you want is amoral and likely unconstitutional.
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