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I found this mildly humorous. To go to this length over a prank like this is ludicrous. It's a red herring to place an inch of blame on these two kids, because if a kid is that emotional and irrational, it was just a matter of time until something drove him over the edge.
My sympathy cup is empty for this kid.
Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
That doesn't criminalize being gay. Try again.
Yeah it does. If you have been found to have committed sodomy while in service in the military then you will be arrested, charged, and prosectuted.
No it doesn't criminalize being gay. It criminalizes breaking the military code of conduct which is a completely voluntary engagement since we don't have forced military service. And even then, it doesn't even require that you abstain from the act, only that you keep it discreet and not mix it with your military life.
Can you point to any examples of DADT resulting in prosecution? It was my understanding that it simply led to administrative discharge. And that's only when it's actually used.
As far as I know, they are all technically prosecutions. Some have been discharged simply for having a same sex marriage certificate.
How about the Stonewall riots?
Hey, I'm straight and committed sodomy with my wife multiple times over the past week.
Guess that makes me gay since apparently sodomy = gay since sodomy laws = gay is illegal.
No it doesn't criminalize being gay. It criminalizes breaking the military code of conduct which is a completely voluntary engagement since we don't have forced military service. And even then, it doesn't even require that you abstain from the act, only that you keep it discreet and not mix it with your military life.
Can you point to any examples of DADT resulting in prosecution? It was my understanding that it simply led to administrative discharge. And that's only when it's actually used.
What a sad loss. I wish the best for his family as I personally know they are have a terrible time dealing with this.
History of sodomy laws
It happens in other countries as well, there are places you can get your head cut off for being gay.
As far as I know, they are all technically prosecutions. Some have been discharged simply for having a same sex marriage certificate.
How about the Stonewall riots?
Your interpretation would make sense. . . however . . .
If someone sees you - off duty - in another town - on a date with your gay partner and kissing - and they take a photo and proove it - you can get booted for that.
It doesn't have to be *on duty* - it doesn't have to be *on base* - it doesn't have to even be *in uniform* or anything.
If you - at any time - are discovered to be 'doing something gay' - you can get the boot.
You can get the boot for what you did BEFORE you joined, as well.
Very FEW people actually *violated* DADT's code - some people are "discovered" through some nosy **** ONLINE or - or as is the example I gave: on the weekend OUT OF TOWN and no where near 'duty' at all. So - the act *says* "Don't ASK Don't TELL" - but you don't need to be asked and you don't need to tell . . . you just need to be discovered, spied or snooped on.
If person A is in the military - and person B is not in the military.
Person A doesn't tell or is never discovered - but someone who knows person B (at their school, for example) figures out that person B is involved with military person A - then the person who makes that discovery/connection can anonymously turn in person A without *ever* even meeting them.
And person A can get the boot.
So DADT is misleading title.
The entire act is frequently abused and a bunch of bull**** - a great way for non-military homophobes to exact some sort of personal deviant revenge on hard working citizens.
It's twisted and wrong.
Now - if these situations I've mentioned *didn't actually EVER* happen - then it would be a different story and your view of it would be more on target.
But you're way off base with how you think it really pans out.
OK, so you guys found two instances where the charges were dropped in one case and overturned in another along with repeal of the anti-sodomy law that wasn't widely enforced anyway.
I'm not finding that to be a shining endorsement of the "it's illegal to be gay" argument. Not at all.
Yeah it does. If you have been found to have committed sodomy while in service in the military then you will be arrested, charged, and prosectuted.
The problem with "homosexuality has not been criminalized in the last 30 years" is because even before that it was largely treated as a mental illness. As such, criminalizing homosexuality would have been viewed like criminalizing insanity. It just wouldn't make sense.
And to be fair, nobody is arguing that being fat is a mental illness, but people are still arguing that being gay is.
Have you ever heard me expand upon my beliefs about what causes fatness? :lol:
Perfectly happy, functional people get fat, just as perfectly happy, functional people are gay. Neither is the result of nor caused by mental illness.
You can't fault people just because they have a strong preference to food or a strong preference to the same sex.
I can see is a person of little discipline, slovenly attention to their own body, and too lazy to care about their own health.
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