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Yes his 'Fox News world view' is so informed & impartial isn't it :lol:gdalton said:Thank you gunny, as always you bring a vast amount of insight into a world that I, along with many, am ignorant of. I believe in listening to those who have experience in the topics I am trying to learn.
You gave me an example of David Kay in 2004, not Dr David Kelly !gdalton said:Robin, I will agree with you all day, every day, about border control issues, but I can't bring myself to agree that our fight in Iraq is futile. It may not the best strategy and it does show many flaws in our intel and our administrations plans for the war, that I will give you. As far as Mr. Kelly is concerned, I have shown you examples of his acknowledging the threat that Iraq represented before the war, yet you refuse to use anything but examples of how he changed his mind after we invaded. Hind sight is useless in changing the past. I believe you come off as quit abrasive with people who argue a point different from your own, then you turn around and accuse them of being closed minded for not agreeing with you. This type of behavior is not productive in changing someone’s mind. It's hard to get someone to agree with you when you keep telling them they are too stupid or bullheaded to understand your argument.
robin said:You gave me an example of David Kay in 2004, not Dr David Kelly !
Dr David Kelly committed suicide in 2003
robin said:For christs sake gysgt... none the people that have set off bombs in our countries are from Iraq !!!!!
Holy **** I can't believe your intransigence !!!!
Have you read the link about Bush & spin on WMD ?
Do you ever look at things from another point of view other than that of a blinkered ex military man & patriotic fool ?
robin said:For christs sake gysgt... none the people that have set off bombs in our countries are from Iraq !!!!!
Holy **** I can't believe your intransigence !!!!
Have you read the link about Bush & spin on WMD ?
Do you ever look at things from another point of view other than that of a blinkered ex military man & patriotic fool ?
robin said:Never heard of your source ?????
I'm more inclined to trust the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3088723.stm
"he said the government had "sexed-up" its dossier on Iraq to boost public support for the war."
"He accused the government of inserting a claim into the dossier that Saddam Hussein was capable of deploying weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes"
On top of all this its' a disgrace the way a man of his integrity & intelligence, way above & beyond vulgar lying political slimeballs, was thrown into the bull pit at an enquiry like a sacrificial lamb.
G Dalton please be less naive & start showing contempt for your self serving lying ego tripping policiticans... or 'Trecherous cretins' as Frank Zappa referred to them as.
As for Navy Pride & GY Sgt... they are so naive & dumb & patriotic I think they see the world through black & white tinted spectacles with stars & stripes on :lol:
No... a fool is someone that turns themself into a killer/hitman & sets themselves up as mere cannon fodder for lying politicians & arms dealers & manufacturers, by joining the military.GySgt said:IRAQ - IS - A - PART - OF - THE - MIDDLE - EAST!!!!!!!
I'm not an "ex-miltary" man. I've been in 13 years and 6 months. I have fought these extremists in Somalia. I have had conversations with Muslims in Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, and Iraq. I have fought extremists in Iraq. I have talked to Muslims in Ethiopia. I have studied this garbage for over a decade. (12 years to be exact).
I know what I'm talking about.
Patriotism has nothing to do with it.
A fool is an individual that thinks he can fix the issues of terrorism by arresting individuals here and there, close down schools, and beefing up border securities, while ignoring their failing civilization.
robin said:No... a fool is someone that turns themself into a killer/hitman & sets themselves up as mere cannon fodder for lying politicians & arms dealers & manufacturers, by joining the military.
I stand by all my posts. Read them & learn. They are the truth of the matter. I showed respect for men that fought Hitler becuase they were fighting in the right place.gdalton said:Watch your self, I have tried to keep an even keel in the face of your belligerency, but once you begin to disrespect the people who risk their lives to keep us safe I can no longer bight my tongue. So enjoy the view of your colon and I hope one day soon you get a chance to make the above statement to an individual who has volunteered to help instead of sitting around ******* and moaning and offering no real solutions.
robin said:No... a fool is someone that turns themself into a killer/hitman & sets themselves up as mere cannon fodder for lying politicians & arms dealers & manufacturers, by joining the military.
You've appear to have learned nothing from Vietnam, which served no purpose in the war on communism in the end. The reds didn't overun Asia after you got kicked out did they ?
Just another example of fly swatting in one place to try & resolve a worldwide problem. Only trouble is 2 million innocents got killed in the crossfire. I feel sorry for the men that fought & died in two WW's for freedom & morals & liberty then their country behaved like that. Dropping mutagenic substances on peasants. Carpet bombing cities. Another example of arms manufacturers rubbing their hands with glee. Torching villages just becuase 'there may have been communists there' ****ing blitkrieg in the name of freedom !
Incidently, that war was started on the basis of Tonkin gulf ruse just like Hitler pretended to be attacked by The Poles as an excuse to invade them... charming !
Truman should have listened to Minn's offer of friendship in 1945.
But as that opportunity to make Nam as sweet as S Korea was lost, then you should have kept your noses out when the French brutal colonial thugs deservedly got kicked out.
robin said:I stand by all my posts. Read them & learn. They are the truth of the matter. I showed respect for men that fought Hitler becuase they were fighting in the right place. What you are advocating in the Iraqi war is equivalent to saying the place to fight the Nazis was in outer Mongolia.
The terrorists are in & have come from Yorkshire, London, Bali, Morroco, Eritrea, Algeria, Hamburg, Suidi, Philipines, Pakistan etc etc....... oh look, Iraq is not on the list. Well I never. Can't seem to get it can you.
robin said:The terrorists are in & have come from Yorkshire, London, Bali, Morroco, Eritrea, Algeria, Hamburg, Suidi, Philipines, Pakistan etc etc....... oh look, Iraq is not on the list.
VTA said:So? Should we have declared war on those places? Wouldn't it be better served to fight in the geographic heart of this evolutionally retarded ideology's birthplace?
Isn't strategy a main topic in your initial post...?
No it wasn't, Vietnam made no difference as I've mentioned. The reds didn't overrun asia when you left.GySgt said:Soviet Communism was not defeated by attacking Moscow. Instead it was combatted on battle fields like Korea and Vietnam.
Where you armed Bin Laden & his cronies LOLGySgt said:It was diplomatically backed off in Cuba. It was indirectly repelled in Afghanistan.
What has the Berlin wall got to do with fly swatting in Iraq ?GySgt said:It was held behind a cement wall with American troops stationed on the other side. Victory didn't come from a conventional surrender rather than an economic break down through several different levels of competition with the West.
Not quit right old chap actually. That should read as follows.... I am realist do-nothing that is of no use that loves to bash America or anyone else for that matter when they are completely in the wrong.GySgt said:You hold no truths. You are a pessimistic do-nothing that loves to bash America. As far as the countries that we all know about...What's your country doing about it? What's the rest of Europe doing about it? What's the EU doing about it? What's the UN doing about it? Oh I forgot...countries like yours have to have their hand held.
Completely the wrong thing... off on a crusade 3,000 miles away in a country that had nothing to do with 911 & when the London bombers were right on our doorstep... worse in fact... in our living room.GySgt said:As far as the countries that we all know about...What's your country doing about it?
Or Yorkshire or London mosques.GySgt said:It's you who don't get it. All those places of attack have a root and that root is the Middle East and the Arab's fanatic version of Islam.
Robin, you're a better Patriot than all the neo's combined! Have you ever thought of dual citizenship?Originally posted by Robin:
'Patriotism' is the dangerous psychological phenomenon whereby people become convinced everything their country does abroad is right... for no better reason than it's their country that's doing it... Robin 9/11/05
robin said:No it wasn't, Vietnam made no difference as I've mentioned. The reds didn't overrun asia when you left.
Where you armed Bin Laden & his cronies LOL
Soviet communism was defeated by the economic imperitives that faced Gorbi.
Same in China it's NOT the US military that's brought about change, it's spontaneous economic reforms that are bringing about change...
What has the Berlin wall got to do with fly swatting in Iraq ?
They are two totally different types of situations. One with a clear cut front line & the other with no front line or borders.
Not quit right old chap actually. That should read as follows.... I am realist do-nothing that is of no use that loves to bash America or anyone else for that matter when they are completely in the wrong.
Completely the wrong thing... off on a crusade 3,000 miles away in a country that had nothing to do with 911 & when the London bombers were right on our doorstep... worse in fact... in our living room.
Or Yorkshire or London mosques.
duhhhh uhhh um I think I knew that already. So you think invading Iraq is going to stop Muslim extremists in Britain WTF !GySgt said:Yorkshire or your London mosques preach the teachings of the Middle Eastern Arab.
They can torch them, for all I care. I ****ing sick of UK muslims.GySgt said:They are not just doing their own thing. WAKE UP! As long as the Middle East continues it's ideology, all those places you mentioned will be targets. You cannot kill the flow of drugs if the drug lords are left alone! This means Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. America's attacked two. What's anybody else doing? Closing up their local mosques?
I am mad at Blair.GySgt said:Why do you care what we do anyway? Be mad at your own country.
robin said:Never heard of your source ?????
I'm more inclined to trust the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3088723.stm
"he said the government had "sexed-up" its dossier on Iraq to boost public support for the war."
"He accused the government of inserting a claim into the dossier that Saddam Hussein was capable of deploying weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes"
On top of all this its' a disgrace the way a man of his integrity & intelligence, way above & beyond vulgar lying political slimeballs, was thrown into the bull pit at an enquiry like a sacrificial lamb.
G Dalton please be less naive & start showing contempt for your self serving lying ego tripping policiticans... or 'Trecherous cretins' as Frank Zappa referred to them.
As for Navy Pride & GY Sgt... they are beyond help. So naive & dumb & patriotic I think they see the world through black & white tinted spectacles with stars & stripes on.
Their years in military institutions is equivalent to them having a non invasive lobotomy :lol:
Mere cannon fodder for lying politicians & arms dealers & manufacturers.
gdalton said:Gunny, I believe we are wasting our time arguing with batmans butt buddy over here.
Roby, have you ever heard the analogy that if you believe everyone around you to be a-holes, then most likely you are the a-hole. Does that about some up your interactions with others?
or the USA running half the world & behaving like Nazis in the process of supporting the interests of her multi national corps at the expense of anyone that happens to get in the way.hawk2 said:Now let's deal with the wrongheaded signature of yours about patriotism. You have patriotism confused with Nazi style NATIONALISM. Nationalism can be evil as it was when Hitler was trying to conquer the world.
If you share such noble moral values then why do you turn a blind eye to the crimes of the USA ?hawk2 said:Patriotism is being proud of the values that the citizens of any particular country share........it does not mean my country right or wrong as you so wrongly have stated.
People get respect from me when they earn it or deserve it. You have started at -10 on the scale.hawk2 said:You should show a little more respect for the members of this forum. As it is you are making a fool of yourself because of your blind arrogance.
cnredd said::naughty
Could we start using a little more civility please?
Don't make me break out the Moderator robes....
That doesn't take away the fact that the drubbing Kelly was given in the public enquiry by politicians was a major factor in his suicide. In other words the scurrilous way they treated him lead to his suicide.hawk2 said:So you're inclined to trust BBC huh? It was the slimebag reporting by Andrew Gilligan that drove Dr. David Kelly to his suicide.
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