Strange bedfellow

[CLAX1911]

For the kinds of people you mentioned in your OP, yeah,

So please list all up hard workers and pornographers and child's rapists that Candice Owens has supported. I didn't follow her career incredibly closely but I do know she went from sjw to right-wing commentator pretty fast.

it's common.

Then show.

It's strange to the rest of us who value empathy and kindness and aren't sociopaths.

This seems like a mindless platitude.

 

[multivita-man]

So please list all up hard workers and pornographers and child's rapists that Candice Owens has supported.

I have better things to do than to spend a nanosecond Googling anything about Candace Owens, who's running out of people to bullshit apparently.

She's irrelevant to what we're talking about here. I grew up around this kind of hypocrisy, and IIRC you grew up not that far away from where I did, so I don't know how you and I saw the same micro-culture so completely differently. I saw these kinds of ****ers for who they were, not for who I was hoping or wishing they'd be.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I have better things to do than to spend a nanosecond Googling anything about Candace Owens, who's running out of people to bullshit apparently.

She's irrelevant to what we're talking about here. I grew up around this kind of hypocrisy, and IIRC you grew up not that far away from where I did, so I don't know how you and I saw the same micro-culture so completely differently. I saw these kinds of ****ers for who they were, not for who I was hoping or wishing they'd be.

"But those aren't real Christians."

Well yeah, they are. Just like the Christians who agree with them are Christians, just like the Christians who don't say anything about them are Christians, just like the Christians who vocally condemn them are Christians.

 

[Sven Karma]

The views expressed in the poem. Compared to the false masculinity Andrew Tate seems to embody I'm comparing one idea to the other do you not understand that ideas are not people?

Right there, you just used the word 'Compared' ffs lol.

 

[CLAX1911]

I have better things to do than to spend a nanosecond Googling anything about Candace Owens, who's running out of people to bullshit apparently.

It's okay this is the first time you're just full of it. You see someone in the opposite tribe and automatically the devil because you're a tribalist.

She's irrelevant to what we're talking about here.

We're talking about her and other people hosting Andrew Tate on their show so she's not irrelevant it's kind of fundamental to topic

I grew up around this kind of hypocrisy, and IIRC you grew up not that far away from where I did, so I don't know how you and I saw the same micro-culture so completely differently.

I grew up in a very metropolitan area and I got to see hypocrites of all stripes so to think that it's unique to Christianity is to be, short sided. Wasn't surrounded by only Christians in fact Christianity played a pretty small part in my life.

I saw these kinds of ****ers for who they were, not for who I was hoping or wishing they'd be.

I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[CLAX1911]

"But those aren't real Christians."

Well yeah, they are. Just like the Christians who agree with them are Christians, just like the Christians who don't say anything about them are Christians, just like the Christians who vocally condemn them are Christians.

I agree with you I've never bought into the real Christian thing that's an appeal to purity.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I agree with you I've never bought into the real Christian thing that's an appeal to purity.

So with that in mind it should not be terribly confounding that some Christians think Tate is a swell dude.

 

[CLAX1911]

Right there, you just used the word 'Compared' ffs lol.

An idea of masculinity as expressed in a poem. Yes. I never compared Kipling to take I don't know enough about either one of them to be able to do that.

 

[CLAX1911]

So with that in mind it should not be terribly confounding that some Christians think Tate is a swell dude.

I never said it was confounding I said it was strange bedfellow.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I never said it was confounding I said it was strange bedfellow.

Jesus.

Okay.

 

[multivita-man]

It's okay this is the first time you're just full of it. You see someone in the opposite tribe and automatically the devil because you're a tribalist.

We're talking about her and other people hosting Andrew Tate on their show so she's not irrelevant it's kind of fundamental to topic

I grew up in a very metropolitan area and I got to see hypocrites of all stripes so to think that it's unique to Christianity is to be, short sided. Wasn't surrounded by only Christians in fact Christianity played a pretty small part in my life.

I didn't say you were Christian, but you grew up in Texas or somewhere in the South or Bible Belt, right? If not, then okay, I misunderstood your background. To be honest, I think just living in America -- anywhere -- should expose you to enough religiosity and hypocrisy to see how full of shit some of these religious zealots are and how vicious they can be. Selectively so.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I didn't say you were Christian, but you grew up in Texas or somewhere in the South or Bible Belt, right? If not, then okay, I misunderstood your background. To be honest, I think just living in America -- anywhere -- should expose you to enough religiosity and hypocrisy to see how full of shit some of these religious zealots are and how vicious they can be. Selectively so.

Spent half a year in Amarillo as a child, and even among the 6th graders the righteous cruelty was off the charts.

Tate just says out loud what a lot of them think.

 

[CLAX1911]

I didn't say you were Christian, but you grew up in Texas or somewhere in the South or Bible Belt, right?

I grew up in Houston a giant gaping hole in the Bible belt.

If not, then okay, I misunderstood your background. To be honest, I think just living in America -- anywhere -- should expose you to enough religiosity and hypocrisy to see how full of shit some of these religious zealots are and how vicious they can be. Selectively so.

I know when you get out further away from the cities people tend to be a little more balkanized but I didn't live there.

It's nothing to apologize for let's misunderstanding everyone has them. But yeah I grew up in the big city so I'd only ever get exposed to this being around family members who lived outside of this area.

 

[CLAX1911]

Spent half a year in Amarillo as a child, and even among the 6th graders the righteous cruelty was off the charts.

I experienced the same thing in 6th grade but it didn't come from Christians mostly came from the other sixth graders who were stronger or had nicer clothes the shoes were the big deal when I was in school. And I was a stupid little poor because I were s*** from Payless.

Tate just says out loud what a lot of them think.

I don't know about that. I think it hurts in the crappy said and have a hard time agreeing with him about anything and perhaps they just don't know because I didn't know.

I thought it was just a loud mouth that didn't care about offending people. But then again I'm not a teenage boy struggling with masculinity.

 

[multivita-man]

I grew up in Houston a giant gaping hole in the Bible belt.

Nah, there's Houston and then there's Harris County, which is plenty conservative. Go a little further up the road and you're in a special kind of hell called College Station. Go even further up 190 and you're in the black hole known as Waco. It's been there the whole time. Right in front of ya.

 

[CLAX1911]

"But those aren't real Christians."

Well yeah, they are. Just like the Christians who agree with them are Christians, just like the Christians who don't say anything about them are Christians, just like the Christians who vocally condemn them are Christians.

I had a lot of encounters with the self-righteous types that seem to make it there goal to make people feel inadequate but because I grew up in a place that didn't really follow up particular reason, it was because I wasn't manly enough for I didn't have a girlfriend, that I was inadequate in some way.

So I just have a perspective of this outside of just religious people so I can very much understand someone who associates it very heavily with religious people. You get into smaller towns where you go into a grocery store it's likely you're going to encounter people you know and they know you didn't shop to charge or your son or daughter is having a little bit of a problem with drugs or something of that nature. They tend to use their religion to justify looking down on you. Even if you're part of their religion it happens there to. I married a man who grew up in the Mormon church. And because he wanted to be with me and I'm also a man there are people that he grew up with that don't have anything to do with him for that reason alone.

I suspect this sort of thing is based on fear. Not fear of my husband but fear that he will convince them that something like homosexuality is something a person can't help and they have been wrong all this time for looking down on people for it.

So even though it wasn't my experience I can understand it and I understand why people feel this way.

Even if you grew up in one of these communities you either had a teacher or a friend or someone somewhere in the community that might have been part of the religion but was kind to you those people exist too.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I think it hurts in the crappy said and have a hard time agreeing with him about anything and perhaps they just don't know because I didn't know.

This is art.

 

[CLAX1911]

Nah, there's Houston and then there's Harris County, which is plenty conservative.

Um... We've had a lesbian mayor so I don't think so.

Go a little further up the road and you're in a special kind of hell called College Station.

I get you with college station I have never spent any time there. New Braunfels and San Marcos I have spent time in.

I wanted the restaurants with my boyfriend at the time and nobody said anything.

Go even further up 190 and you're in the black hole known as Waco. It's been there the whole time. Right in front of ya.

I tend to avoid Waco. If you know you know.

Other places in Texas have spent time in is El Paso, love El Paso. San Antonio, Austin.

A place I don't even like driving through is Vidor. Last time I went through there with my boyfriend I made sure I had a pistol group shotgun handy.

 

[CLAX1911]

This is art.

My apologies I meant to say if they heard some of the crap he said that I haven't heard until recently they would have a hard time platforming him.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I had a lot of encounters with the self-righteous types that seem to make it there goal to make people feel inadequate but because I grew up in a place that didn't really follow up particular reason, it was because I wasn't manly enough for I didn't have a girlfriend, that I was inadequate in some way.

So I just have a perspective of this outside of just religious people so I can very much understand someone who associates it very heavily with religious people. You get into smaller towns where you go into a grocery store it's likely you're going to encounter people you know and they know you didn't shop to charge or your son or daughter is having a little bit of a problem with drugs or something of that nature. They tend to use their religion to justify looking down on you. Even if you're part of their religion it happens there to. I married a man who grew up in the Mormon church. And because he wanted to be with me and I'm also a man there are people that he grew up with that don't have anything to do with him for that reason alone.

I suspect this sort of thing is based on fear. Not fear of my husband but fear that he will convince them that something like homosexuality is something a person can't help and they have been wrong all this time for looking down on people for it.

So even though it wasn't my experience I can understand it and I understand why people feel this way.

Even if you grew up in one of these communities you either had a teacher or a friend or someone somewhere in the community that might have been part of the religion but was kind to you those people exist too.

I grew up in a major metro area but also with relatives in southern rural spots, and my mother's side deeply southern Baptist. Amarillo was just that mindset on steroids. You would have gotten curbstomped by those Christians, and they would have said they were doing the Lord's work. Any female who strayed beyond the prescribed gender norms would have been diagnosed as demon possessed. And covering all was the omnopresent hypermasculinity.

Tate is cut from the same cloth.

 

[multivita-man]

Um... We've had a lesbian mayor so I don't think so.

I get you with college station I have never spent any time there. New Braunfels and San Marcos I have spent time in.

I wanted the restaurants with my boyfriend at the time and nobody said anything.

I tend to avoid Waco. If you know you know.

Other places in Texas have spent time in is El Paso, love El Paso. San Antonio, Austin.

A place I don't even like driving through is Vidor. Last time I went through there with my boyfriend I made sure I had a pistol group shotgun handy.

Don't think I've ever had the pleasure of driving through there. I have, however, been through Childress. Couldn't get through that place fast enough.

 

[CLAX1911]

Don't think I've ever had the pleasure of driving through there. I have, however, been through Childress. Couldn't get through that place fast enough.

Vidor is known as a sundown town. I look like a white guy my husband since he's mixed between native American and white he looks like a Hispanic guy.

I think if I had a blowout in that town and my husband was with me I think I just drive on the rims until I got out.

I've never spent any time there talking with the local culture so I have no idea if it's a largely Christian place but I do know there's some overlap with that sort of thing.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I tend to avoid Waco. If you know you know.

My brother and sister in law are Baylor grads. 4 years ago they decided to return to Texas, settling in a podunk town about an hour from their alma mater. My brother is borderline extremist rightwing and Baptist so it makes sense, but it's hard to believe we had the same upbringing given how different our perspectives are now.

 

[CLAX1911]

I grew up in a major metro area but also with relatives in southern rural spots, and my mother's side deeply southern Baptist. Amarillo was just that mindset on steroids.

That also might be a thing relative to the time too. In 1992 in Houston I remember actually hearing about this on the news but I was a small child a man named Paul broussard was attacked and beaten and put the hospital and subsequently died and I later found out it was because he was gay. I would have only been 10 years old at the time so it didn't really sink into me what was happening.

But by the time I had come out I was going downtown to the gay bars and having a blast with all the gays and trans people and lesbians seem to be quite prevalent in the city.

You would have gotten curbstomped by those Christians, and they would have said they were doing the Lord's work. Any female who strayed beyond the prescribed gender norms would have been diagnosed as demon possessed. And covering all was the omnopresent hypermasculinity.

My mother grew up in Amarillo as well as Wichita falls, that's where she met my father so she has a somewhat glossy memory of it.

Tate is cut from the same cloth.

I'm not sure Kate seems like he's compensating for something an insecurity.

When I'm hanging out with new people they tend to say that they're surprised when they find out that I'm gay because they referred to me as very masculine now I don't know about this. I think it's because I fix cars talk about industry work is a skilled tradesman. I'm not trying to toot my own horns this other people's observations I don't put any effort into it. It's just how I am. I don't have to buy fancy cars and trick women into sleeping with me and be good at fighting to be this way. All of that stuff seems to be connected with overcompensation.

 

[CLAX1911]

My brother and sister in law are Baylor grads. 4 years ago they decided to return to Texas, settling in a podunk town about an hour from their alma mater. My brother is borderline extremist rightwing and Baptist so it makes sense, but it's hard to believe we had the same upbringing given how different our perspectives are now.

I loved my brother, I still do but we were very different people. He was hardcore Catholic. But I still stayed close to him and I'm glad I got that opportunity.

We didn't see eye-to-eye on everything and we steered off into certain conversations even still to this day I'll do it with my dad I try to avoid it things get heated I see some of the things that he believed in my dad believes to be extreme.

If you have any closeness with your brother don't let that separate you from him. Because at the heart of it this is just what people are.

My husband had a fallen out with his parents to the point where they told him that he's dead to them and then I want to see him again. He's part of a Mormon family so he's one of like 12 siblings. And he's gotten to older brother is an older sister younger brothers and sisters that he actually has a relationship with. Even though some of them are Mormon and if you know anything about Mormons you know they're pretty extreme on religion.