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Straight men that do not want to have sex with a transgender woman are transphobic

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Bodhisattva said:
Straight men that do not want to have sex with a transgender woman are transphobic. It is a growing issue and one that should be addressed.

www.bbc.com

India Willoughby: Is it discriminatory to refuse to date a trans woman?

Was it transphobic for singer Ginuwine to state that that he wouldn't date a trans woman on reality TV show Celebrity Big Brother?
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Oh great, more incel postings...

"Straight women who don't want to have sex with Donald Trump are MAGAphobic. It is a growing issue and one that should be addressed and yada yada..."
 
Bodhisattva said:
It sounds like you are transphobic and do not want to have sex with trans-women. Is that correct and if so... why?
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Well for starters, I'll take it that you have very little in the way of any social, interpersonal or (consensual) relationship experience, or else you wouldn't have asked that question to begin with:

You may not know this, but a huge factor which plays into people's decisions to marry or enter a relationship is the possibility of having children. Typically, a person who has had sexual reassignment surgery is not able to have children, or a pre-op person who "identifies" as the opposite sex, but still has the physical genitals of the same sex (and is still legally recognized as their birth sex) would not be able to have children with their partner (in the case of women) without a sperm donation. Or in the case of men, it would be entirely impossible to have children of one's own.

Second, given that physical sex is genetic and biological rather than "rational", the components which create physical attraction or chemistry between people simply may not be there if their physical sex and genetics are not that of the sex that the other party is typically attracted to.

Also the well-documented comorbidity of identifying as transgender with severe mental illness, high suicide rates, and other mental or developmental disorders which create symptoms of gender dysphoria would be things a potential partner would take into account, and statistics estimating that transgenders are less than 0.01% of the population, it simply may be rare for people to be able to relate to their rather idiosyncratic existences.

So if you're inclined to continue to be transphobic, misogynistic, and creepy, I'd very nicely suggest that you do it someone else now - or just go back to watching trash tv like Big Brother and killing off what little remains of your brain cells, okay sportie? Or do you need us to go over the birds and the bees with you again?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Straight men that do not want to have sex with a transgender woman are transphobic. It is a growing issue and one that should be addressed.

www.bbc.com

India Willoughby: Is it discriminatory to refuse to date a trans woman?

Was it transphobic for singer Ginuwine to state that that he wouldn't date a trans woman on reality TV show Celebrity Big Brother?
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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Yeah. No it is not. It is not anyone's business who people are sexually attracted to (so long as those persons they desire are capable of giving their consent). No one should be shamed for not wanting to have sexual relations with a transgender woman. Just as no one should be shamed for wanting to have sexual relations with a transgender woman. No one has the right to the amorous affections of others.
 
Felis Leo said:
Yeah. No it is not. It is not anyone's business who people are sexually attracted to (so long as those persons they desire are capable of giving their consent). No one should be shamed for not wanting to have sexual relations with a transgender woman. Just as no one should be shamed for wanting to have sexual relations with a transgender woman.
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The new "incel" trend will be identifying as trans women and trying to shame, stalk, or harass lesbian women into sleeping with them. I'm curious how that's been working out for the OP.
 
AGENT J said:
I would need more info one why they wouldn't date a transwoman to consider it transphobic . . .
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Well let us say for the sake of argument that it was transphobic and based off of an irrational revulsion towards transgendered persons...why on Earth would a self-respecting transgendered person want to have romantic relations with a transphobe? That is comparable to a black woman going out of her way to court the affections of open Klan members, or a Jewish woman trying to date an open Neo-Nazi. Just weird.
 
Felis Leo said:
Well let us say for the sake of argument that it was transphobic and based off of an irrational revulsion towards transgendered persons...why on Earth would a self-respecting transgendered person want to have romantic relations with a transphobe?
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I agree 100% but that has nothing to do with whether they are transphobic or not . . just like racist, bigoted and misogynistic etc 🤷‍♂️
 
AGENT J said:
I agree 100% but that has nothing to do with whether they are transphobic or not . . just like racist, bigoted and misogynistic etc 🤷‍♂️
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Well certainly. But this seems to be going to something beyond the issue of transphobia. That is, is someone not having any sexual attraction or romantic desires towards a person based on an immutable characteristics a form of bigotry which needs to be addressed? I do not think it is. I would argue that however accepting or bigoted one is, however open-minded or closed-minded, at the end of the day you just cannot help who you are genuinely attracted to.

Now, there are some people who do not wish to express who they are attracted to because they believe they would be held up to the hatred, scorn and obloquy of their peers for dating someone with characteristics that are widely considered unattractive, undesirable or unacceptable. Those so-called "closet cases" who are made to feel shame for who they are and hide who they are attracted to are often worthy of both scorn and pity, sometimes more of one than the other. But for those who are just genuinely not attracted to someone based on their immutable characteristics? Unless the rejection is particularly cruel and vicious especially in a performative sense, I really cannot label it "transphobic" or any other form of bigotry.
 
Felis Leo said:
Yeah. No it is not. It is not anyone's business who people are sexually attracted to (so long as those persons they desire are capable of giving their consent). No one should be shamed for not wanting to have sexual relations with a transgender woman. Just as no one should be shamed for wanting to have sexual relations with a transgender woman. No one has the right to the amorous affections of others.
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I am not sure how I conveyed how it was a person's business or that they should be ashamed. Sorry. Where did you get that from what I posted.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am not sure how I conveyed how it was a person's business or that they should be ashamed. Sorry. Where did you get that from what I posted.
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You said it needs to be addressed. Addressed how? Labeling people who do not wish to have romantic relations with trans women and men transphobic and leaving it at that? Alright, I suppose we have addressed it then.
 
Felis Leo said:
Well certainly.
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well thats all that matters because that's all i said. Im sorry im not interested in the other made up scenarios
I would have to know more to use the label or not and it would be on an individual basis, and others play no role in the use of that label, only that individual.

Same as i would do for any label . . this one is no different.
 
Mata Hari said:
The new "incel" trend will be identifying as trans women and trying to shame, stalk, or harass lesbian women into sleeping with them. I'm curious how that's been working out for the OP.
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That would be bold as brass as well as ridiculous, Mata Hari. And by "ridiculous" I mean it would leave them subject to scorn, ridicule and mockery. In reality, I do not think most so-called "incels" (at least the ones I am thinking about) would work up the courage to do something where they would be laughed out of the room by a bunch of women. If there is one thing many men fear, and misogynistic men especially, it is the open ridicule of women laughing at their expense.
 
Mata Hari said:
Well for starters, I'll take it that you have very little in the way of any social, interpersonal or (consensual) relationship experience, or else you wouldn't have asked that question to begin with:
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Yes, very little. That is me. An oddball that never dated girls/women or was married and had children. You have me pegged.
Mata Hari said:
You may not know this, but a huge factor which plays into people's decisions to marry or enter a relationship is the possibility of having children.
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That is a factor.
Mata Hari said:
Typically, a person who has had sexual reassignment surgery is not able to have children, or a pre-op person who "identifies" as the opposite sex, but still has the physical genitals of the same sex (and is still legally recognized as their birth sex) would not be able to have children with their partner (in the case of women) without a sperm donation. Or in the case of men, it would be entirely impossible to have children of one's own.
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... you are a "female"?
Mata Hari said:
Second, given that physical sex is genetic and biological rather than "rational", the components which create physical attraction or chemistry between people simply may not be there if their physical sex and genetics are not that of the sex that the other party is typically attracted to.

Also the well-documented comorbidity of identifying as transgender with severe mental illness, high suicide rates, and other mental or developmental disorders which create symptoms of gender dysphoria would be things a potential partner would take into account, and statistics estimating that transgenders are less than 0.01% of the population, it simply may be rare for people to be able to relate to their rather idiosyncratic existences.
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That sounds like a lot of justification to be transphobic...
Mata Hari said:
So if you're inclined to continue to be transphobic,
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LOL I said that you were first...
Mata Hari said:
misogynistic, and creepy,
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Looking out for the emotional well being of trans-people is creepy to you. That tells us a lot.
Mata Hari said:
I'd very nicely suggest that you do it someone else now -
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Are you tired of being seen for who you are?
Mata Hari said:
or just go back to watching trash tv like Big Brother and killing off what little remains of your brain cells, okay sportie?
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No idea what that show is... and it is sporty.
Mata Hari said:
Or do you need us to go over the birds and the bees with you again?
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Yes. That would be good. Please go over the birds and the bees for me. Is this a Dr. Seuss story that I don't remember?
 
Felis Leo said:
You said it needs to be addressed. Addressed how? Labeling people who do not wish to have romantic relations with trans women and men transphobic and leaving it at that? Alright, I suppose we have addressed it then.
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They might need to declare why they do not want to have a romantic relationship in order to not negatively impact others health and well being.
 
AGENT J said:
I would need more info one why they wouldn't date a transwoman to consider it transphobic . . .
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They wouldn't date a transwoman because they are transphobic, unless they specifically state why in a public declaration.
 
Bodhisattva said:
why?
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Maybe it's a personal choice?
I understand that for you the dictatorship of the mainstream is sacred... but this is not the case for everyone.
A person has the right not to want anything... and call it a problem... nuff said.
 
Bodhisattva said:
They wouldn't date a transwoman because they are transphobic, unless they specifically state why in a public declaration.
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lol i dont care how a person states it

im simply saying i would not use that label based on that description alone I would have to know more.
I had a girl scared to death to date me because of her grandfather and for a long time she never dated anybody color because of that . . i would never call her racist because she wasnt

and she eventually got over that nonsensical fear of her grandfather
 
Fabiusbile said:
Maybe it's a personal choice?
I understand that for you the dictatorship of the mainstream is sacred... but this is not the case for everyone.
A person has the right not to want anything... and call it a problem... nuff said.
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It is not enough said... what do you mean that you understand that for you the dictatorship of the mainstream is sacred?
 
Bodhisattva said:
what do you mean that you understand that for you the dictatorship of the mainstream is sacred?
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I'm talking about a not very unpleasant moment of Western culture - the dictatorship of the mainstream.

Where a person who disagrees with the mainstream either remains silent for fear of being condemned by society for dissent, or is subjected to harassment for trying to object.

There is freedom of speech in the West... but not against the mainstream.
Those who try to go against the mainstream are defined as marginals and monstrous social and even business barriers are erected to them, pushing such dissenters to the sidelines of life.
 
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