knicksin2010
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knicksin2010 said:The most controversial of the 3 bills passed 63-37 however that is 4 short of the 67 required to over turn what will be Bush's 1st veto
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060718/ap_on_go_co/stem_cells
It's a sad day for millions of Americans who are affected in some way by loved ones being inflicted by diseases to be told that frozen Petri dishes should be thrown away without researching potential gains we could get from them that could one day save their loved ones
talloulou said:Why are you blaming the government? Why should the government fund this? Private companies are free to fund it on their own and lord knows they will bel the ones who make money in the end. If the research is as promising as some make it out to be then I'm sure it will get funding somewhere else. What's wrong with that?
Not exactly a pro-life stance, now is this? How can anyone pretend to be "pro-life" yet be against SCIENCE that can save millions of lives, cure diseases like Diabetes (which I have), help people who are paralyzed to walk again, cure cancer, Alzheimer's etc.?talloulou said:Why are you blaming the government? Why should the government fund this? Private companies are free to fund it on their own and lord knows they will bel the ones who make money in the end. If the research is as promising as some make it out to be then I'm sure it will get funding somewhere else. What's wrong with that?
Binary_Digit said:Are you three suggesting there should be no Federal funding for AIDS or cancer research either? How much Federal money is spent treating cancer today, and wouldn't that money be better spent investing in the cure? Or would you just rather have that 20 bucks back in your own paycheck?
26 X World Champs said:Let's set the record straight! By vetoeing this bill Bush is coming out against Science, Medicine, Nursing, Health Care and the general well being of all of us. How can ANYONE be against DOCTORS!
26 X World Champs said:I truly believe that to be against this science is unconscienable...it reminds me of the Amish who refuse to take the medicines we have today and some die in that community due to this stilted and insane reasoning.
It's the most promising possibility for a cure to cancer, diabetes, and AIDS that we've ever discovered. They have already helped mice with severed spinal chords regain the use of their hind legs and bowels. Besides these people aren't idiots, if most of them agree it's possible then I'm inclined to believe them.talloulou said:There's no guarantee that embryonic stem cells will produce a cure for anything. Certainly the research wouldn't be as specific or geared towards a particular outcome as AIDS or various cancer research.
That's fair enough. It depends on what kind of value you place on the embryo, whether it's a person or not. I would bet money that most anti-stem cell people are also anti-abortion. I personally give it less value than the mice they use.talloulou said:Plus I personally have many questions regarding embryonic stem cell research. I do find it an "ethical" thing to ponder.
I understand that embryos in a freezer that would otherwise be thrown out in the trash can't constitute human life. How could they? Human life can't be frozen or put on hold right?
However embryonic stem cell research without question is taking another step in a direction that I'm not sure we should necessarily go without an "ethical discussion." When people spoke out against IVF and the first test tube babies start showing up I thought they were silly. I mean clearly IVF was a "gift" for couples needing help with fertility...how could that be wrong? But others complained that it was a giant step in a particular direction that might not always be benign. Now we are talking about allowing these test tube creations to grow for a bit outside the uterus so we can take them apart for parts. Surely there must be some ethical concerns with the road we are traveling down. People don't want to talk about ethics and they sort of blow you off as if ethics and religion are one in the same but they are not.
Plus they "clone" these embryos as well to increase the number available. And cloning is another area thats highly questionable.
That's a good point actually, maybe they should compromise and fund a small team of reserachers who have specific goals to prove using mice what stem cells can do, then decide whether or not it's worth funding research for human treatment based on their findings.talloulou said:So basically I don't think the government should federally fund embryonic stem cells especially in light of the fact that the research is very all over the place and seems to be more about monkeying around with these fertilized embryos in general vs working to meet a particular specific goal like curing AIDS.
That's only a reason to not fund it right now, but that reason will go away....eventually.talloulou said:And not for nothing but we are highly in debt right now.
Another good point Tall, but that is a tough ultimatum. You're asking us to decide between two people which one will die. If one of them is American, and the money was paid by Americans, then I think the American life should be saved, based on that alone.talloulou said:To put it in perspective there are people in the world who are dying because they can't afford ANTIBIOTICS which are known to cure all manner of infections that could otherwise kill you. I consider that a much bigger problem. How can it be unconscienable to believe the government shouldn't spend tons of $$$$ on research that is contraverial as well as ???? as to what the results of the research will be all the while there are people who are dying because they don't have $$$ for medicine that definitely will help them and is readily available? I consider that much worse.
The hysteria is for Federal funding. I'll admit the government pays for some stupid programs, but I don't think this would be one of them.talloulou said:And embryonic stem cell research is being done right this very minute in more than one state so I don't see why all the hysteria.
Binary_Digit said:It's the most promising possibility for a cure to cancer, diabetes, and AIDS that we've ever discovered. They have already helped mice with severed spinal chords regain the use of their hind legs and bowels.
tecoyah said:Most research at this point is shifting away from Emvyonic stem cells....to Adult stem cells. The reasons are complex and are in some ways effected by the ethics crowd....but mostly its just that adult cells seem to work better in most cases.
talloulou said:I thought it was 'cause there is apparently some unregulated growth problem with embryonic stem cells that they haven't figured out how to control yet so the potential for tumors and what not is too high.
Binary_Digit said:Are you three suggesting there should be no Federal funding for AIDS or cancer research either? How much Federal money is spent treating cancer today, and wouldn't that money be better spent investing in the cure? Or would you just rather have that 20 bucks back in your own paycheck?
How can you write stuff like this? Not only is it an utter untruth it is also, IMHO, socialogically inept. What sort of person is against our government spending our tax money on scientific research? It boggles the mind to think that some of you are so selfish, so greedy, so uncaring of your neighbors that you would be against providing significant funding to finding cures for diseases that are killing millions of Americans!ProudAmerican said:St. Judes would continue to function decades into the future if there was never another dollar donated. This is according to a friend of mine whos wife works in their financial dept.
so, YES.....I am saying the government should have no part in funding Aids or Cancer research.
they are funded fully through private donations.
ProudAmerican said:St. Judes would continue to function decades into the future if there was never another dollar donated. This is according to a friend of mine whos wife works in their financial dept.
so, YES.....I am saying the government should have no part in funding Aids or Cancer research.
they are funded fully through private donations.
Sure, here you go.DeeJayH said:mind backing this up with a source
I have heard of numerous advances as a result of Stem Cell Research
But not a single advance due to EMBRYONIC Stem Cell research
Sorry, but that's not true. The only reported success in thias area turned out to be a fraud. The biggest reason this is ven an issue is that there is a bunch of federal money to be sucked up by the researchers. If this line of research had any real potential, investors would be lining up to invest in it. But strangely enough they aren't. I wonder why......Binary_Digit said:It's the most promising possibility for a cure to cancer, diabetes, and AIDS that we've ever discovered. They have already helped mice with severed spinal chords regain the use of their hind legs and bowels. Besides these people aren't idiots, if most of them agree it's possible then I'm inclined to believe them.
knicksin2010 said:It's a sad day for millions of Americans who are affected in some way by loved ones being inflicted by diseases to be told that frozen Petri dishes should be thrown away without researching potential gains we could get from them that could one day save their loved ones
Binary_Digit said:Are you three suggesting there should be no Federal funding for AIDS or cancer research either? How much Federal money is spent treating cancer today, and wouldn't that money be better spent investing in the cure? Or would you just rather have that 20 bucks back in your own paycheck?
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