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State Department will take "appropriate action" against foreigners in US praising Kirk's death, official says

hecatmoggie said:
the Hate needs to stop - they're not US Citizens, they can leave and go back to their home countries and we can give them a 1 way ticket to do it

hating the 1st is why Charlie Kirk was killed, lets not allow the hate to instigate more of it please
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Charlie Kirk was killed because a mentally ill young person idolized violence and had access to a high powered weapon. It had nothing to do with the 1st.
 
Nickyjo said:
Let’s examine what we are witnessing. As I understand it, someone here on a visa who says Kirk had it coming can have their status ended by the State Department’s “appropriate action,” as can someone here as a student who is critical of Israel’s actions in Gaza. Will the State Dept take “appropriate action” against someone here on a visa who praises radical Israeli settlers kicking Palestinians out of their homes in the West Bank?

In my view all of the speech listed above should be protected.
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I disagree
 
Simpletruther said:
No they cannot revoke a right to drive without clearly defined LEGAL cause.
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You don’t have a right to drive. Driving on public roads is a privilege. The law and courts are clear about that. You don’t have to take my word for it. Watch one video of SovCits getting their asses handed to them in court when they claim they have a right to drive on public roads.

Since you are claiming stripping privileges for speech isn’t a violation of the First Amendment, then a Blue state can strip Trump supporters of their privilege to drive.
 
JMR said:
Charlie Kirk was killed because a mentally ill young person idolized violence and had access to a high powered weapon. It had nothing to do with the 1st.
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Yep. The shooter was a young white Rightwing man. Of course he’s “mentally ill”.
 
Questerr said:
You don’t have a right to drive. Driving on public roads is a privilege. The law and courts are clear about that. You don’t have to take my word for it. Watch one video of SovCits getting their asses handed to them in court when they claim they have a right to drive on public roads.

Since you are claiming stripping privileges for speech isn’t a violation of the First Amendment, then a Blue state can strip Trump supporters of their privilege to drive.
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Sounds like a semantics issue.
Do you agree the government cannot arbitrarily strip my license?
That is what I meant by right, which might be the wrong word.
 
Simpletruther said:
Sounds like a semantics issue.
Do you agree the government cannot arbitrarily strip my license?
That is what I meant by right, which might be the wrong word.
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I believe the government can’t arbitrarily strip your license because I don’t believe the government can strip people of privileges due to protected First Amendment speech.

YOU DON’T. YOU believe the government can arbitrarily strip your license.

Or more likely, you hypocritically don’t, because fascists don’t actually have principles. You believe the law is whatever will let you remove brown people from America.
 
Questerr said:
I believe the government can’t arbitrarily strip your license because I don’t believe the government can strip people of privileges due to protected First Amendment speech.

YOU DON’T. YOU believe the government can arbitrarily strip your license.

Or more likely, you hypocritically don’t, because fascists don’t actually have principles. You believe the law is whatever will let you remove brown people from America.
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According to sources I think you are mistaken in the case of foreigners visas.
They not be able to arbitrarily take a foreigners license, but they can arbitrarily send them packing.

Oh and Fake race card played.......film at 11
 
Simpletruther said:
According to sources I think you are mistaken in the case of foreigners visas.
They not be able to arbitrarily take a foreigners license, but they can arbitrarily send them packing.

Oh and Fake race card played.......film at 11
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They cannot send a foreigner packing for protected First Amendment speech.
 
Questerr said:
They cannot send a foreigner packing for protected First Amendment speech.
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Not according to ai:

Yes, the U.S. government has broad discretion to revoke visas, and the Supreme Court has held that such revocations are discretionary decisions that are not subject to judicial review, meaning they can appear arbitrary and leave visa holders with limited recourse. Consular officers and other officials can revoke a nonimmigrant visa at any time and for reasons they deem sufficient, such as derogatory information from other U.S. agencies or changes in foreign policy.
 
Simpletruther said:
Not according to ai:

Yes, the U.S. government has broad discretion to revoke visas, and the Supreme Court has held that such revocations are discretionary decisions that are not subject to judicial review, meaning they can appear arbitrary and leave visa holders with limited recourse. Consular officers and other officials can revoke a nonimmigrant visa at any time and for reasons they deem sufficient, such as derogatory information from other U.S. agencies or changes in foreign policy.
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Did you ask the AI if visas can be stripped for engaging in constitutionally protected activity?
 
Simpletruther said:
If the court ruled that they cant have review then appears so.
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That not what they said. You’re making it up. Nowhere has the court said that visas can be stripped for engaging in constitutionally protected activity.

There is no exception in the First Amendment for citizenship status.
 
Questerr said:
That not what they said. You’re making it up. Nowhere has the court said that visas can be stripped for engaging in constitutionally protected activity.

There is no exception in the First Amendment for citizenship status.
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If the court cant review it, how is it protected?
 
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