Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for her

[Litwin]

Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for her

Why do so many in the west still believe that Muscovy has never been beaten in a war ? and they are some kind of unbeatable , warlike race ? its a pure BS, Muscovy has lost almost all wars , with nearly equal opposite side ...why even today people believe that Putler´s Muscovy has a chance against NATO/West?

" ...the history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings she suffered because of her backwardness. She was beaten by the Mongol khans. She was beaten by the Turkish beys. She was beaten by the Swedish feudal lords. She was beaten by the Polish and Lithuanian lords. She was beaten by the Anglo-French capitalists. She was beaten by the Japanese barons. Everyone gave her a beating for her backwardness. Everyone gave her a beating for her backwardness. . . . They beat her because it was profitable and could be done with impunity....,”

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Joseph Stalin, speech delivered at the first All-Union Conference of Leading Personnel of Socialist Industry, February 4, 1931. 1

 

[HowardBThiname]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

Why do so many in the west still believe that Muscovy has never been beaten in a war ? and they are some kind of unbeatable , warlike race ? its a pure BS, Muscovy has lost almost all wars , with nearly equal opposite side ...why even today people believe that Putler´s Muscovy has a chance against NATO/West?

It's really not a matter of the US and others in the West thinking that we can't beat Russia.

It's a matter of being too smart to go to war against Russia.

We simply don't want to.

Putin might be a pain in the neck, but there's virtually no reason (so far) for the US and NATO to get involved in any way.

We place the value of our own soldiers' lives over the lives of resistance groups in the Ukraine, Crimea or in Russia.

I don't mean to sound cold -- but we just don't care enough to stick our necks out for you. Sorry.

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

It's really not a matter of the US and others in the West thinking that we can't beat Russia.

It's a matter of being too smart to go to war against Russia.

We simply don't want to.

Putin might be a pain in the neck, but there's virtually no reason (so far) for the US and NATO to get involved in any way.

We place the value of our own soldiers' lives over the lives of resistance groups in the Ukraine, Crimea or in Russia.

I don't mean to sound cold -- but we just don't care enough to stick our necks out for you. Sorry.

it will be no war, Putler is a bluffer, he has nothing , outdated soviet crap which he got in 1991 are rotten already

 

[HowardBThiname]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

it will be no war, Putler is a bluffer, he has nothing , outdated soviet crap which he got in 1991 are rotten already

No. The reason there will be no war is because the US and NATO refuse to get drawn into it.

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

No. The reason there will be no war is because the US and NATO refuse to get drawn into it.

No, cos the west has chosen to act this way with ulus of juchi

 

[late]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

We don't go to war with nuclear powers. We just don't.

We are in a similar position to what we were in during the Cold War. While we had sanctions, we were playing for time, because we knew one day it would collapse. Same thing now.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

No, cos the west has chosen to act this way with ulus of juchi

I don't know what that means and I don't really care.

The US will not fight your war for you -- you're just going to have to overthrow Putin by yourself.

 

[ataraxia]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

I don't know what that means and I don't really care.

The US will not fight your war for you -- you're just going to have to overthrow Putin by yourself.

Yes. I know some Iranian immigrants here who really want the US to invade Iran and overthrow the mullahs there too. And there are Cubans who want us to invade Cuba and overthrow the regime there. Ditto for Venezuela. Tibetans want us to invade and get rid of the Chinese there occupying their country. The list goes on and on. There are a lot of bad players in the world. The US/NATO really can't be involved in all of these conflicts. At least not directly. The world is just a really messed up place. We can't fix it all. We can help some if we can. But man, we are having enough of our own problems right here at home.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

Yes. I know some Iranian immigrants here who really want the US to invade Iran and overthrow the mullahs there too. And there are Cubans who want us to invade Cuba and overthrow the regime there. Ditto for Venezuela. Tibetans want us to invade and get rid of the Chinese there occupying their country. The list goes on and on. There are a lot of bad players in the world. The US/NATO really can't be involved in all of these conflicts. At least not directly. The world is just a really messed up place. We can't fix it all. We can help some if we can. But man, we are having enough of our own problems right here at home.

I agree. We simply can't be the big bully of the world. I know there are many problems out there, and I feel for those people who are suffering. If there's a way we can negotiate with countries for better human rights, I'm all for it. But, I'm not gung-ho for us to get involved in wars, especially ones against other major powers that could result in heavy casualties.

 

[beerftw]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

Why do so many in the west still believe that Muscovy has never been beaten in a war ? and they are some kind of unbeatable , warlike race ? its a pure BS, Muscovy has lost almost all wars , with nearly equal opposite side ...why even today people believe that Putler´s Muscovy has a chance against NATO/West?

" ...the history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings she suffered because of her backwardness. She was beaten by the Mongol khans. She was beaten by the Turkish beys. She was beaten by the Swedish feudal lords. She was beaten by the Polish and Lithuanian lords. She was beaten by the Anglo-French capitalists. She was beaten by the Japanese barons. Everyone gave her a beating for her backwardness. Everyone gave her a beating for her backwardness. . . . They beat her because it was profitable and could be done with impunity....,”

_
Joseph Stalin, speech delivered at the first All-Union Conference of Leading Personnel of Socialist Industry, February 4, 1931. 1

Russia has been beaten plenty of rimes in war, I have never heard anyone dispute that, however russia has always maintained it's empire since it became one, even if it lost what it tried to get. Stalin would be a good example of why people are afraid, during ww2 the germans were far superior in tech arms and training yet lost to russia, If ww2 had not seen america enter the war russia would have likely taken it's place albeit with much higher casualties on all sides, leaving the ussr as the world superpower.


part of what is feared is not their tech, though their tech is damn good for what they design it for, but wat is feared is their determination, during ww2 the russians charged germans under overwhelming odds, and it was a thing to shoot any russian who looked backwards. in the end the overall superiority of germany being the tech supergiant of the day and the most powerful military on earth at the time failed to defeat the russians, so why would anyone with half a brain try to fight them unless the need arose?

 

[beerftw]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

it will be no war, Putler is a bluffer, he has nothing , outdated soviet crap which he got in 1991 are rotten already

I dpn't know, the middle east uses outdated soviet crap from the 1950's and they seem to have no issue killing american or other countries soldiers, so how would 1991 gear be rotten when america still uses plenty of gear going back to the 1970's? It seems you live in some alternate universe where you fail to understand military might, gear used and how that gear is used, and instead run with what you percieve in your head should be reality rather than what is reality.


fyi That nigeria ib snow thing has been debunked for a long time, russias current gdp and earnings per capita even during a recession is far greater than nigerias, they might need to take gdp stats that occurred after yeltsin which was pretty much 2 decades ago.

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

Russia has been beaten plenty of rimes in war, I have never heard anyone dispute that, however russia has always maintained it's empire since it became one, even if it lost what it tried to get. Stalin would be a good example of why people are afraid, during ww2 the germans were far superior in tech arms and training yet lost to russia, If ww2 had not seen america enter the war russia would have likely taken it's place albeit with much higher casualties on all sides, leaving the ussr as the world superpower.


part of what is feared is not their tech, though their tech is damn good for what they design it for, but wat is feared is their determination, during ww2 the russians charged germans under overwhelming odds, and it was a thing to shoot any russian who looked backwards. in the end the overall superiority of germany being the tech supergiant of the day and the most powerful military on earth at the time failed to defeat the russians, so why would anyone with half a brain try to fight them unless the need arose?

" russia " has always maintained it's empire " you must be joking, 1917, 1991, 2018(?)?

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

I dpn't know, the middle east uses outdated soviet crap from the 1950's and they seem to have no issue killing american or other countries soldiers, so how would 1991 gear be rotten when america still uses plenty of gear going back to the 1970's? It seems you live in some alternate universe where you fail to understand military might, gear used and how that gear is used, and instead run with what you percieve in your head should be reality rather than what is reality.


fyi That nigeria ib snow thing has been debunked for a long time, russias current gdp and earnings per capita even during a recession is far greater than nigerias, they might need to take gdp stats that occurred after yeltsin which was pretty much 2 decades ago.

Muscovy in numbers

The territory of Russia is 17.075.260 square meters. km and mainly lies north of 55 ° N.
Approximately 85% of the territory is not suitable for permanent comfortable living of the population. permafrost (areas of Siberia and the Far East) occupies 60% of the territory of Russia, swamps and wetlands almost 22%, rivers and lakes about 4%. Another part of the land is periodically flooded, part is occupied by mountains and forests, a little under ravines, part under deserts and solonchaks.

According to the State Statistics Committee's report for 2005, in Russia 2.2 million square meters of agricultural land are cultivated or used in agriculture. km, of which only 1.2 million for arable land, 0.2 million square kilometers are occupied by settlements of all types in the country. km, for industrial facilities and for military purposes 0.2 million, for other 0.1 million.
For a happy life, the Russians still have 2.561.289 square meters. km.
This is 15% of the territory ie. real Russia is slightly larger than Sudan, but less than Kazakhstan.
Average temperatures in January, in different regions, from 0 to -50 ° C, in July from 1 to 25 ° C, precipitation falls from 150 to 2000 mm per year.
At temperatures below -5 ° C, the maintenance costs of the infrastructure with each degree below zero increase exponentially.
Snow removal in the thickness of 40 cm in St. Petersburg takes more than 30 days.


Russia accounts for less than 2% of global GDP. The main export items (according to the Federal Customs Service) are gas and oil (70%), primary metals (15%), roundwood (10%), everything else, including equipment, weapons and technology - less than 5%.

According to soil scientists, 17.8% of agricultural land is subject to water erosion, 8.4% of wind erosion, 12.3% of wetlands and wetlands occupy wetlands and wetlands, and saline soils - 20.1%.
The land, not subject to all these misfortunes, in Russia is only 0.91 million square meters. km.
The agricultural season in most of Russia is 2-3 months (in Europe or the US 8-9 months). The average annual yield of cereals in Russia (on non-chernozems) is about 17 centners, in Germany, France and Great Britain (on nonchernozem) - 70 quintals per hectare, in Sweden - 60, in Ireland - 85, in Ukraine (on chernozems) - 24 in all.

The Russian state border stretches for 58,322 km and has 424 border crossings.
The total number of settlements is 157.895, of which more than 30.000 are still without telephone communication.
Most of the 39,000 abandoned villages and settlements are in the Central Federal District, the Northwest, the Far North, Siberia and the Far East.
In Russia only 65% of housing has been gasified.
Up to 75% of Russia's food needs are covered by imports.
78.7% of Russians consider cooperation with law enforcement bodies as unacceptable.
Russia consumes more than 20% of all heroin produced in the world.
The volume of the Russian market of heroin alone is estimated at $ 13 billion annually.
Every day in Russia, 100 people die because of a drug overdose.

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

In 2009, 786 terrorist acts were committed in Russia. Since the beginning of 2010, already 427.
The flying time of NATO strike aviation from the borders of Estonia and Latvia to St. Petersburg does not exceed 4 minutes, to Moscow - no more than 18.

Life in Russia is satisfied with two categories of people: those who are not in the know and those who are in the share.

63% of Russians with incomes above the national average would like their children to study and work abroad.
35% want their children to live abroad permanently.
At 2.000 vacancies for janitors opened in St. Petersburg in early 2010, there were fewer than 10 applicants.
The proposed salary is 12.000 rub / month.
The increase in the cost of travel in the St. Petersburg metro since 2003 is 35% per year.
Last year, more than 50 tons of explosives were seized at Russian airports.

The average Russian consumes 18 liters of alcohol per year. According to the conclusion of UN experts, the annual consumption of 8 liters of alcohol per capita leads to a serious degradation of the population.
In Russia, a pack of cigarettes can be bought for 30 cents, a bottle of beer, which can be bought at every corner 24 hours a day, is cheaper than a bottle of drinking water.
Only 1% of the water consumed by Russians meets the world quality standards.
in Russia there are 51,230 people who were exposed to radiation as a result of the Chernobyl accident.

The State Duma and the Federation Council meet 12 billionaires, whose overall condition is estimated at 41 billion dollars.
Russia has 62 billionaires with a combined capital of $ 297 billion. Russian billionaires pay the lowest taxes in the world (13%) that their colleagues in France and Sweden (57%), in Denmark (61%) or Italy (66%) %).
26% of Russians have an outstanding loan.
143,000 people were deprived of the right to travel abroad due to problems with their debts.

According to the Rosgosstrakh CSR, in Russia the annual income is more than $ 1 million from 160,000 people, the annual income of more than $ 100,000 has 440,000 families "

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[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h



is Muscovy today in better shape than it was in 1905?

 

[beerftw]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

Muscovy in numbers

The territory of Russia is 17.075.260 square meters. km and mainly lies north of 55 ° N.
Approximately 85% of the territory is not suitable for permanent comfortable living of the population. permafrost (areas of Siberia and the Far East) occupies 60% of the territory of Russia, swamps and wetlands almost 22%, rivers and lakes about 4%. Another part of the land is periodically flooded, part is occupied by mountains and forests, a little under ravines, part under deserts and solonchaks.

According to the State Statistics Committee's report for 2005, in Russia 2.2 million square meters of agricultural land are cultivated or used in agriculture. km, of which only 1.2 million for arable land, 0.2 million square kilometers are occupied by settlements of all types in the country. km, for industrial facilities and for military purposes 0.2 million, for other 0.1 million.
For a happy life, the Russians still have 2.561.289 square meters. km.
This is 15% of the territory ie. real Russia is slightly larger than Sudan, but less than Kazakhstan.
Average temperatures in January, in different regions, from 0 to -50 ° C, in July from 1 to 25 ° C, precipitation falls from 150 to 2000 mm per year.
At temperatures below -5 ° C, the maintenance costs of the infrastructure with each degree below zero increase exponentially.
Snow removal in the thickness of 40 cm in St. Petersburg takes more than 30 days.


Russia accounts for less than 2% of global GDP. The main export items (according to the Federal Customs Service) are gas and oil (70%), primary metals (15%), roundwood (10%), everything else, including equipment, weapons and technology - less than 5%.

According to soil scientists, 17.8% of agricultural land is subject to water erosion, 8.4% of wind erosion, 12.3% of wetlands and wetlands occupy wetlands and wetlands, and saline soils - 20.1%.
The land, not subject to all these misfortunes, in Russia is only 0.91 million square meters. km.
The agricultural season in most of Russia is 2-3 months (in Europe or the US 8-9 months). The average annual yield of cereals in Russia (on non-chernozems) is about 17 centners, in Germany, France and Great Britain (on nonchernozem) - 70 quintals per hectare, in Sweden - 60, in Ireland - 85, in Ukraine (on chernozems) - 24 in all.

The Russian state border stretches for 58,322 km and has 424 border crossings.
The total number of settlements is 157.895, of which more than 30.000 are still without telephone communication.
Most of the 39,000 abandoned villages and settlements are in the Central Federal District, the Northwest, the Far North, Siberia and the Far East.
In Russia only 65% of housing has been gasified.
Up to 75% of Russia's food needs are covered by imports.
78.7% of Russians consider cooperation with law enforcement bodies as unacceptable.
Russia consumes more than 20% of all heroin produced in the world.
The volume of the Russian market of heroin alone is estimated at $ 13 billion annually.
Every day in Russia, 100 people die because of a drug overdose.

And your stats do nothing to back up the nigeria in snow, just more diversion tpwards anything you can use to excuse your constant hate of russia rather than actually providing evidence to the topic.

 

[beerftw]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

" russia " has always maintained it's empire " you must be joking, 1917, 1991, 2018(?)?

In 1917 they did keep their empire minus finland which broke free, it became the soviet union. In 1991 they maintained most of their empire lost some territories but most of it was the warsaw pact moreso than actual russian land.


Now since you can not really argue on any normal level I will throw this at you, your country is no powerhouse, infact your country it nothing more that natos human shield to waste russian supplies while finland will be more of the first true line of defense, nato is doing just the same as the soviet union did, create buffer zones to seperate east from the west, everything inbetween is nothing more than an army of human shields, with the exception of finland the eastern side of nato would be obliterated by russian advance giving the western side time to counter attack.


To put it simply, lithuania has no real strategic value for nato other than as a human wall, as anything close to russia would fall if ww3 actually happened, so why would you keep calling for war with russia knowing your country will be thrown under the bus?

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

Putler´s Nigeria with snow goes down down down :lamo
"Current State of Russia’s Carrier Force

At the moment, Russia’s only aircraft carrier is the troubled Admiral Kuznetsov. A ski jump carrier, the Kuznetsov displaces some 60,000 tons, can theoretically make thirty knots, and carry a combination of forty-or-so helicopters and jet fighters. Kuzentsov was commissioned in 1990; a sister remained an incomplete hulk for many years until it was purchased by China and eventually finished as Liaoning. In addition to helicopters, Kuznetsov operates MiG-29K and Su-33 fighter bombers. Like previous Russian carriers, Kuznetsov sports a heavier missile armament than most Western ships.

Unfortunately, hiccups with Kuznetsov have also made it difficult for Russia’s naval aviators to remain practiced and effective. The ship has suffered multiple breakdowns over its career, including significant issues with its engines and recovering aircraft. Many of these difficulties came as consequence of the dramatic decline of maintenance funding at the end of the Cold War, but some was the inevitable result of inexperience with the platform type. Admiral Kuznetsov has engaged in several prestige cruises, but its most notable service came in 2016 off of Syria. After a much publicized journey to the Mediterranean, Kuznetsov conducted combat operations for two months. The operations had more of a publicity impact than a real military effect, and Kuznetsov lost two aircraft (one MiG-29K and one Su-33) to accidents. The carrier is currently in refit.

To support Kuznetsov, Russia attempted to purchase a pair of French assault carriers, but the conquest and annexation of Crimea forced France to cancel the sale. These ships would have served as amphibious platforms with antisubmarine (ASW) capabilities, but also would have given the Russian navy experience with relatively large, technologically advanced vessels. Indeed, part of the deal would have allowed Russia to construct two Mistrals to French specifications in its own yards, which would have provided a major boon to Russian shipbuilding."

Why Isn't Russia an Aircraft Carrier Superpower? | The National Interest Blog

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

In 1917 they did keep their empire minus finland which broke free, it became the soviet union. In 1991 they maintained most of their empire lost some territories but most of it was the warsaw pact moreso than actual russian land.


Now since you can not really argue on any normal level I will throw this at you, your country is no powerhouse, infact your country it nothing more that natos human shield to waste russian supplies while finland will be more of the first true line of defense, nato is doing just the same as the soviet union did, create buffer zones to seperate east from the west, everything inbetween is nothing more than an army of human shields, with the exception of finland the eastern side of nato would be obliterated by russian advance giving the western side time to counter attack.


To put it simply, lithuania has no real strategic value for nato other than as a human wall, as anything close to russia would fall if ww3 actually happened, so why would you keep calling for war with russia knowing your country will be thrown under the bus?

only Finland? you need a new book for sure
UPR, BPR, Georgia , Baltics, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_People's_Republic

 

[beerftw]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

only Finland? you need a new book for sure
UPR, BPR, Georgia , Baltics, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_People's_Republic

Finland is the only eastern country with the real training and weaponry to actually delay a russian advance, the rest of the eastern european countries would fall fairly quick to russia and act as buffer zones to delay advancement.

Look at history, eastern europe has been a buffer zone for the great powers in eastern europe, western europe, and the middle east. Prior to nato enjoying them as buffer zones the soviet union used them for the exact same thing, to keep a buffer between moscow and nato. This is why eastern europe has been the craphole of the world for many centuries, it is hard to advance when you are caught in every cross regional military conflict and spend more time rebuilding than advancing, when every time europe and the middle east or europe and russia go to war, they get their land robbed their food stolen and their infrastucture damaged to support war causes for someone who has never lived in eastern europe.


In terms of strategic value, eastern europe would fall quickly, as far as nato, without the united states who pretty much carries nato, nato would fall quickly to the russians, and countries like yours would fall in all out war no matter which side they took, they are the inbetween states, the buffer zones, the land mass full of human shields so other empires can protect their own capitals.

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

Finland is the only eastern country with the real training and weaponry to actually delay a russian advance, the rest of the eastern european countries would fall fairly quick to russia and act as buffer zones to delay advancement.

Look at history, eastern europe has been a buffer zone for the great powers in eastern europe, western europe, and the middle east. Prior to nato enjoying them as buffer zones the soviet union used them for the exact same thing, to keep a buffer between moscow and nato. This is why eastern europe has been the craphole of the world for many centuries, it is hard to advance when you are caught in every cross regional military conflict and spend more time rebuilding than advancing, when every time europe and the middle east or europe and russia go to war, they get their land robbed their food stolen and their infrastucture damaged to support war causes for someone who has never lived in eastern europe.


In terms of strategic value, eastern europe would fall quickly, as far as nato, without the united states who pretty much carries nato, nato would fall quickly to the russians, and countries like yours would fall in all out war no matter which side they took, they are the inbetween states, the buffer zones, the land mass full of human shields so other empires can protect their own capitals.

No , Finland is a Scandinavian country, i see you are a putlerist who just waist my time with your useless posts.

 

[beerftw]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

No , Finland is a Scandinavian country, i see you are a putlerist who just waist my time with your useless posts.

Finland is not a scandinavian country culture wise nor geographically except maybe a tiny amount of northern finland. The finnish culture comes from finnic peoples with a lanuage derived from the urals, while scandinavian countries originate their culture from scania and geographically technichally only sweden and denmark are scandinavian countries.

Finnish culture is more related mto eastern europe and specifically russia, their language is closer to russian, and very close to hungarian. At best you could call it a nordic country being in northeastern europe, but it would still fall under eastern europe especially since it borders russia as well as other eastern european countries. you could have literally spent 5 seconds googling it or whatever your region uses instead of google.

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

Finland is not a scandinavian country culture wise nor geographically except maybe a tiny amount of northern finland. The finnish culture comes from finnic peoples with a lanuage derived from the urals, while scandinavian countries originate their culture from scania and geographically technichally only sweden and denmark are scandinavian countries.

Finnish culture is more related mto eastern europe and specifically russia, their language is closer to russian, and very close to hungarian. At best you could call it a nordic country being in northeastern europe, but it would still fall under eastern europe especially since it borders russia as well as other eastern european countries. you could have literally spent 5 seconds googling it or whatever your region uses instead of google.

You must be JOKING , ARE YOU DRUNK ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language

 

[beerftw]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

You must be JOKING , ARE YOU DRUNK ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language

You did not even read your own link, it lists finnic as uralic which derives from east and west of the urals which is in russia south. Finnish language originates within russia so you must be unable to pull up on a map where the urals are, or which countries the urals run through.

 

[Litwin]

Re: Stalin : "history of old "Russia" was the continual beatings...Everyone gave her a beating for h

You did not even read your own link, it lists finnic as uralic which derives from east and west of the urals which is in russia south. Finnish language originates within russia so you must be unable to pull up on a map where the urals are, or which countries the urals run through.

the same uralic people who live under brutal Muscovite occupation for centuries? how it make Finns friends or "relatives" to the Juchi Mongols ? aseptically Finnish state, which is the most WESTERN COUNTRY ON EARTH ?

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