SSM, You're Either for Equal Rights or You're Not [W:1013]

[calamity]

Here's a good article that cuts through all of the BS, showing us exactly what rights are denied to human beings when Same Sex Marriage is not recognized. If you truly believe in equal rights for all, you simply must be in favor of same sex marriage. Anything else is hypocrisy.

If you oppose SSM, at least have the balls to admit you are a bigot who refuses to grant equal rights to homos. Saying anything else is simply bull****ting us and/or yourself.

How gay married couples get shortchanged - TODAY.com

More than 1,000 federal rights and securities are denied to couples in same-sex marriages not legally recognized by Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA...

 

[Baralis]

This is why we should strike all mention of race or gender from the law books. Until then we cannot hope to achieve true equality in this country.

 

[MaggieD]

Here's a good article that cuts through all of the BS, showing us exactly what rights are denied to human beings when Same Sex Marriage is not recognized. If you truly believe in equal rights for all, you simply must be in favor of same sex marriage. Anything else is hypocrisy.

If you oppose SSM, at least have the balls to admit you are a bigot who refuses to grant equal rights to homos. Saying anything else is simply bull****ting us and/or yourself.

How gay married couples get shortchanged - TODAY.com

Personally, I support SSM. No problem with it at all...we shouldn't be wasting time in our legislatures discussing it. That's me.

There are those who have religious objections to it. They are entitled to those beliefs. Saying anything else is simply bull****ting us or yourself.

 

[calamity]

Personally, I support SSM. No problem with it at all...we shouldn't be wasting time in our legislatures discussing it. That's me.

There are those who have religious objections to it. They are entitled to those beliefs. Saying anything else is simply bull****ting us or yourself.

I have no problem with people taking religious exception to homosexuality--I don't even care if they go Taliban and start shouting, "Death to fags!" It just goes to reinforce the need for separation of church and state.

 

[MaggieD]

I have no problem with people taking religious exception to homosexuality--I don't even care if they go Taliban and start shouting, "Death to fags!" It just goes to reinforce the need for separation of church and state.

Then perhaps you shouldn't say things like this:

If you oppose SSM, at least have the balls to admit you are a bigot who refuses to grant equal rights to homos. Saying anything else is simply bull****ting us and/or yourself.

 

[calamity]

Then perhaps you shouldn't say things like this:

Why? The religious should have the balls to admit they are bigots. Just because God told them to hate fags is no excuse to deny being a bigot.

 

[MaggieD]

Why? They should have the balls to admit they are bigots.

I have no problem with people taking religious exception to homosexuality.

^^ Then you lied here?

 

[calamity]

^^ Then you lied here?

No. It's perfectly in context. Allow me to more clearly interpret it for you.

I have no problem with people being bigots. As long as they don't lie about it and say they are not bigots while denying people equal rights. It's a free country.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

There are those who have religious objections to it. They are entitled to those beliefs. Saying anything else is simply bull****ting us or yourself.

They're entitled to their beliefs. They're not entitled to having those beliefs enforced by law.

 

[calamity]

They're entitled to their beliefs. They're not entitled to having those beliefs enforced by law.

correct.

 

[Master PO]

Here's a good article that cuts through all of the BS, showing us exactly what rights are denied to human beings when Same Sex Marriage is not recognized. If you truly believe in equal rights for all, you simply must be in favor of same sex marriage. Anything else is hypocrisy.

If you oppose SSM, at least have the balls to admit you are a bigot who refuses to grant equal rights to homos. Saying anything else is simply bull****ting us and/or yourself.

How gay married couples get shortchanged - TODAY.com

i see you love to be partisan.

believe in what i believe in ...or your a bigot!

 

[Tigger]

If you oppose SSM, at least have the balls to admit you are a bigot who refuses to grant equal rights to homos. Saying anything else is simply bull****ting us and/or yourself.

At least some of us have been willing to say that from the start. Then again some of us don't necessarily see Rights the same way that most of you do.

 

[calamity]

At least some of us have been willing to say that from the start. Then again some of us don't necessarily see Rights the same way that most of you do.

That's understandable. And, at least, tackling the issue head on leads to more fruitful discussion, IMO. Someone saying they can't stand gays because same sex relations are an abomination which should not be condoned at least lays the cards on the table.

 

[calamity]

i see you love to be partisan.

believe in what i believe in ...or your a bigot!

No. Denying someone their rights because your belief system allows it is what makes one a bigot.

 

[Tigger]

That's understandable. And, at least, tackling the issue head on leads to more fruitful discussion, IMO. Someone saying they can't stand gays because same sex relations are an abomination which should not be condoned at least lays the cards on the table.

While I thank you for the politeness, there is no fruitful discussion to be hand on that topic. It's a cast-in-stone Right-Wrong issue. There's nothing to discuss.

 

[Master PO]

No. Denying someone their rights because your belief system allows it is what makes one a bigot.

first i would ask what right?

there is no right to marry, ...it cannot be a right, becuase a right have the power of force behind them.

are you saying people can use a right of marriage(if it was a true right) to force another person to marry people, since it takes a 3rd party to preform the ceremony?

marriage is a privilege, but privileges are supposed to be dispensed equally among the population......unless the state can show giving the privilege to a person is not in the states interest, and i dont think a state can prove that.

 

[Fisher]

Here's a good article that cuts through all of the BS, showing us exactly what rights are denied to human beings when Same Sex Marriage is not recognized. If you truly believe in equal rights for all, you simply must be in favor of same sex marriage. Anything else is hypocrisy.

If you oppose SSM, at least have the balls to admit you are a bigot who refuses to grant equal rights to homos. Saying anything else is simply bull****ting us and/or yourself.

How gay married couples get shortchanged - TODAY.com

You presume that everybody believes marriage is a right. By the way, referring to gays and lesbians as "homos" is very prejudiced so maybe you need to point the hypocrisy finger in the mirror.

 

[calamity]

1. You presume that everybody believes marriage is a right. By the way, 2. referring to gays and lesbians as "homos" is very prejudiced so maybe you need to point the hypocrisy finger in the mirror.

1. If you allow males and females the to marry but ban same sex couple from doing same, you are violating the rights of the same sex couples.
2. I take it your parody meter is nonexistent.

 

[calamity]

first i would ask what right?

there is no right to marry, ...it cannot be a right, becuase a rights have the power of force behind them.

are you saying people can use a right of marriage(if it was a true right) to force another person to marry people, since it takes a 3rd party to preform the ceremony?

marriage is a privilege, but privileges are supposed to be dispensed equally among the population......unless the state can show giving the privilege to a person is not in the states interest, and i dont think a state can prove that.

The "right" of lack there of is in what is being denied one group while it is bestowed on another. Banning gays from marrying while allowing heterosexuals to marry is like banning Blacks or Latinos or Chinese couples from marrying while allowing lily Whites the right to marry. It's no different.

 

[calamity]

While I thank you for the politeness, there is no fruitful discussion to be hand on that topic. It's a cast-in-stone Right-Wrong issue. There's nothing to discuss.

Agreed. It's cast in stone that all humans should have the same rights.

 

[Tigger]

Agreed. It's cast in stone that all humans should have the same rights.

No, that is not something we will agree upon. Especially since I don't really believe in Rights ro begin with (as I alluded to previously.)

 

[calamity]

No, that is not something we will agree upon. Especially since I don't really believe in Rights ro begin with (as I alluded to previously.)

Do you believe some people are more equal than others?

 

[Master PO]

The "right" of lack there of is in what is being denied one group while it is bestowed on another. Banning gays from marrying while allowing heterosexuals to marry is like banning Blacks or Latinos or Chinese couples from marrying while allowing lily Whites the right to marry. It's no different.

they are denying a privilege, not a right..what is happening, is they are denying, a civil privilege to gays, and civil privileges ares supposed to be dispensed equally among the population by governments, unless they can show that giving the privilege in not in the states interest, and as i stated i dont think a state can prove that.

 

[calamity]

they are denying a privilege, not a right..what is happening, is they are denying, a civil privilege to gays, and civil privileges ares supposed to be dispensed equally among the population by governments, unless they can show that giving the privilege in not in the states interest, and as i stated i dont think a state can prove that.

Arguing that marriage is a privilege still doesn't absolve the state from denying Rights when it denies one group the privilege it grants to others. For example: Driving is a privilege. However, no way would denying Blacks, Gays or Chinese women the right to drive be a constitutionally acceptable law. But, yet, driving is a privilege.

 

[Ray410]

To many people, the objection to same sex marriage arises from the uncomfortable feeling that one always feels when the cart is placed before the horse.

Contrary to what the MSM and SSM proponents assert, a great many Americans have not accepted the sexual practices of homosexuality as a mainstream activity that has equal credibility with heterosexuality. Those people, probably the majority of Americans, might be more accepting of same sex marriage if they were even remotely accepting of homosexuality itself.

Demanding that those people now go far beyond an acceptance they never felt in the first place, in order to accept same sex marriage, is asking too much of human nature and actually causes more objection to arise against homosexuals, which is obviously contrary to the homosexual desired effect of increasing mainstream acceptance of homosexual activities.

Even the present homosexual strategy of referring to their various sexual activities as "Love" is an impossible stretch for most people.