South Korea's failed coup

[joluoto]

Fear, fury and triumph: Six hours that shook South Korea​

The South Korean president's martial law gamble backfired: What was he thinking?​

South Korea martial law: Why it happened and what comes next

Wow. There was an attempted Presidential coup in South Korea. President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law because he was pissed the opposition won the parliamentary elections back in april, and has blocked his policies since then. The people of Seoul rose up and blocked the streets so the military couldn't get to the National Assembly. The Korean lawmakers also had to basically break into the Assembly past the security forces to gather to vote down the martial law. According to the Korean constitution the President can declare martial law, but the National Assembly has the right to vote it down, and then it would become null and void. Not only opposition lawmakers but Assembly men and women from the President's party made their way to the Assembly and voted to lift martial law unanimously. The coup was over, it had failed. The President withdrew martial law, knowing he had nu support. Protests on the streets of Seoul against the President are continuing and the Assembly are now drafting articles of Impeachment. Now several Cabinet members has announced they are resigning.

President Yoon justified his naked power grab with looney statements that the Opposition are Communists in league with North Korea (the opposition is in actuality a Center- Right liberal party). Many South Koreans know what a dictatorship is like, they were a dictatorship until the late 1980s, and they don't want that back. They also know what a dictatorship is from their neighbor in the north, and they don't want it. I hope all people of democracies will take after the brave South Koreans, in the next few years democracy will be challenged everywhere. Are we willing to fight for it? Are we willing to say NO to the wannabe dictators and rise up?

 

[Slavister]

I hope all people of democracies will take after the brave South Koreans, in the next few years democracy will be challenged everywhere. Are we willing to fight for it? Are we willing to say NO to the wannabe dictators and rise up?

Not sure about your country, but over here, in US, we vote them in. We are fine with it.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Would it be off topic to compare the People Power Party members of the South Korean parliament with Republicans in our legislature?

 

[joluoto]

Would it be off topic to compare the People Power Party members of the South Korean parliament with Republicans in our legislature?

Well they are a Conservative Party with various factions within it. Foreign policy wise they are pro US, pro PRC, very anti DPRK (as they absolitely hate Communism, but somehow are fine with PRC), more conciliatroy towards Japan than the opposition (that tends to be hawkish towards Japan).

 

[eman623]

Not sure about your country, but over here, in US, we vote them in. We are fine with it.

Think about the contradiction in that sentence.

 

[eman623]

Would it be off topic to compare the People Power Party members of the South Korean parliament with Republicans in our legislature?

No, but it would be a false equivalency.

 

[Slavister]

Think about the contradiction in that sentence.

And yet there isn't one.

 

[eman623]

And yet there isn't one.

If you say so.

 

[Slavister]

If you say so.

I do indeed

 

[mrjurrs]

Fear, fury and triumph: Six hours that shook South Korea​

The South Korean president's martial law gamble backfired: What was he thinking?​

South Korea martial law: Why it happened and what comes next

Wow. There was an attempted Presidential coup in South Korea. President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law because he was pissed the opposition won the parliamentary elections back in april, and has blocked his policies since then. The people of Seoul rose up and blocked the streets so the military couldn't get to the National Assembly. The Korean lawmakers also had to basically break into the Assembly past the security forces to gather to vote down the martial law. According to the Korean constitution the President can declare martial law, but the National Assembly has the right to vote it down, and then it would become null and void. Not only opposition lawmakers but Assembly men and women from the President's party made their way to the Assembly and voted to lift martial law unanimously. The coup was over, it had failed. The President withdrew martial law, knowing he had nu support. Protests on the streets of Seoul against the President are continuing and the Assembly are now drafting articles of Impeachment. Now several Cabinet members has announced they are resigning.

President Yoon justified his naked power grab with looney statements that the Opposition are Communists in league with North Korea (the opposition is in actuality a Center- Right liberal party). Many South Koreans know what a dictatorship is like, they were a dictatorship until the late 1980s, and they don't want that back. They also know what a dictatorship is from their neighbor in the north, and they don't want it. I hope all people of democracies will take after the brave South Koreans, in the next few years democracy will be challenged everywhere. Are we willing to fight for it? Are we willing to say NO to the wannabe dictators and rise up?

Another example of the falling status of America as the globe's greatest democracy. Would America do the same thing if the situation was reversed?

It shakes me that this is now a legitimate question...

 

[Callen]

This is what happens when you vote in wannabe dictators. I could absolutely see Trump doing something like this if the Dems retake the House and Senate in 2026.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

No, but it would be a false equivalency.

I disagree.

At least liberal democratic institutions have some degree of health in the world, if not in America.

 

[eman623]

Another example of the falling status of America as the globe's greatest democracy. Would America do the same thing if the situation was reversed?

Yes. Thanks for asking.

It shakes me that this is now a legitimate question...

It shakes me that some think this is a legitimate question.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Well they are a Conservative Party with various factions within it. Foreign policy wise they are pro US, pro PRC, very anti DPRK (as they absolitely hate Communism, but somehow are fine with PRC), more conciliatroy towards Japan than the opposition (that tends to be hawkish towards Japan).

Note China is not Communist anymore

Which is why it is so efficient at manufacturing.

The massive competition in China to make money drives efficiency

 

[verrip1]

I disagree.

At least liberal democratic institutions have some degree of health in the world, if not in America.

At least liberalism is alive and well in its bastion, France.

OOPS!!

 

[redbeer]

Fear, fury and triumph: Six hours that shook South Korea​

The South Korean president's martial law gamble backfired: What was he thinking?​

South Korea martial law: Why it happened and what comes next

Wow. There was an attempted Presidential coup in South Korea. President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law because he was pissed the opposition won the parliamentary elections back in april, and has blocked his policies since then. The people of Seoul rose up and blocked the streets so the military couldn't get to the National Assembly. The Korean lawmakers also had to basically break into the Assembly past the security forces to gather to vote down the martial law. According to the Korean constitution the President can declare martial law, but the National Assembly has the right to vote it down, and then it would become null and void. Not only opposition lawmakers but Assembly men and women from the President's party made their way to the Assembly and voted to lift martial law unanimously. The coup was over, it had failed. The President withdrew martial law, knowing he had nu support. Protests on the streets of Seoul against the President are continuing and the Assembly are now drafting articles of Impeachment. Now several Cabinet members has announced they are resigning.

President Yoon justified his naked power grab with looney statements that the Opposition are Communists in league with North Korea (the opposition is in actuality a Center- Right liberal party). Many South Koreans know what a dictatorship is like, they were a dictatorship until the late 1980s, and they don't want that back. They also know what a dictatorship is from their neighbor in the north, and they don't want it. I hope all people of democracies will take after the brave South Koreans, in the next few years democracy will be challenged everywhere. Are we willing to fight for it? Are we willing to say NO to the wannabe dictators and rise up?

We've been doing just that the last four years under the Biden/Harris regime. A wannabe dictator who used a pandemic for control through cohorts throughout the federal government, media and useful idiots. Censored and imprisoned, the People won out and ousted the left and their crazy political ideology. Our representative Republic stands!

 

[ThirdTerm]

Well they are a Conservative Party with various factions within it. Foreign policy wise they are pro US, pro PRC, very anti DPRK (as they absolitely hate Communism, but somehow are fine with PRC), more conciliatroy towards Japan than the opposition (that tends to be hawkish towards Japan).

In South Korea, ethno-nationalism is considered a liberal ideology and the opposition liberal party has traditionally supported Korean MAGA nationalism, making it more dangerous than the right-wing PPP. The Democratic Party of Korea has made Japan and China its die-hard enemies, while North Korea has become its best friend, dreaming of reuniting Korea to make Korea great again.

 

[Sweden]

Note China is not Communist anymore

Which is why it is so efficient at manufacturing.

The massive competition in China to make money drives efficiency

China has managed to enable a free market non-communist economy is a country governed by a communist dictatorship. Perhaps we should think of it as a hybrid.

 

[Taylor]

Not sure about your country, but over here, in US, we vote them in. We are fine with it.

 

[joluoto]

Not sure about your country, but over here, in US, we vote them in. We are fine with it.

Indeed, but President Yoon was also elected. And his coup failed. Here is hoping the coup when it comes in DC will fail too.

 

[ataraxia]

Think about the contradiction in that sentence.

There can be huge support, at least initially, for corrupt and ignorant tyrants- someone who just wants to crack some skulls and make things happen. Just ask all these YUUUUUUGE and passionately enthusiastic crowds:

 

[Luce]

We've seen this before.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

China has managed to enable a free market non-communist economy is a country governed by a communist dictatorship. Perhaps we should think of it as a hybrid.

I would say it is more a fascist dictatorship than Communist

 

[Fledermaus]

We've been doing just that the last four years under the Biden/Harris regime. A wannabe dictator who used a pandemic for control through cohorts throughout the federal government, media and useful idiots. Censored and imprisoned, the People won out and ousted the left and their crazy political ideology. Our representative Republic stands!

Oh good God...

The pandemic wasn't for control....

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Would it be off topic to compare the People Power Party members of the South Korean parliament with Republicans in our legislature?

One of the difference is that PPP chose democracy over party.