from all the westerns i watched as a kid, the guys who were shot with their hands up then moved their hands to the place on the body where the bullet entered
would this young man not be expected to do the same
Police and protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, clashed once again Wednesday night as tensions boiled over during a planned demonstration against the shooting of Michael Brown by police officer Darren Wilson in August.
Activists said the leak of the report to the newspaper simply added to tensions in the community, which has been the site of numerous protests, including last nights where there have been regular clashes between demonstrators and police, in the 10 weeks since the shooting.
Why did Wilson not use pepper spray, after Brown was moving away from the car, then coming back toward Wilson, still outside the cruiser?
Why did Wilson not have a stun gun with him?
Evidence supports officer
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As you were told.
Sadly? Nah!
It is what happens when thugs bite off more than they can chew.
:naughty
You are speaking utter nonsense.
actually, his dismissal from the police force WAS for racial bigotryNo, his discharge was not for racial bigotry.
the entire force was terminated because of it
no. my information tracks news stories such as this one:That is your bigotry speaking.
Cop Who Killed Michael Brown Formerly Worked for Police Dept. Disbanded for Racism, Corruption | Americans Against the Tea PartyDarren Wilson’s first police job was in the small town of Jennings, MO–and the police department had such a troubled history with racial tensions between white officers and black residents that the city eventually disbanded it. Three years ago, every single officer–including Wilson–was fired, and new people were hired in an effort to regain credibility with residents.
yes, that job continued to exist. only it was filled instead by another LEO who was found not to be tainted by a history of racist behaviorHis discharge was because his job no longer existed because the Department was disbanded.
every member of that jennings police department was fired. because of the persistence of racial bigotry they exhibited. including the shooter of the young black man
and one must question why a innocent would have been fired for racist actions while serving as a law enforcement officerWhy it was disbanded was not attributable to him.
now, let's all ponder what a "clean record" would look like within a police department which was disbanded because its members were found to act in a racist manner towards the black community it was intended to serveAnd he had a clean record at that department.
and then let's also ponder why a police officer who was innocent of racist charges did nothing to preserve his job; he took no action to resist his firing for engaging in racist behavior. he did nothing to preserve his integrity as an honest cop. instead he was fired for being a member of a department which was found to engage in racist actions
That is a ridiculously absurd claim.
You do understand that the interviews came before this testimony, right?
You do understand that it is reported that he said during interviews that he did not remember, right?
You do understand that other witnesses have him telling Brown to stop before turning, right?
You do understand that the GJ testimony came after his interviews, right?
Interviews ~ didn't remember
After interviews ~ remembered
During GJ testimony ~ relayed what he remembered
So how is it that you do not understand that him remembering what happened (especially as it was witnessed by others) prior to testifying to the GJ allowed him to testify to such?
That is how things work with memory, or did you also not know that?
And yet you want to call it a lie. :doh That is just stupid.
And what is funny about this is your focus on something that is completely irrelevant.
Whether or not he remembered makes absolutely no difference to what happened prior to Brown turning, or after he turned and began approaching him.
I agree that one should wait till investigation is completed and released before drawing any conclusions.
Why the emphasis on black and white witness. I don't care what color/race a witness is. All witness statements need to be collaborated by other evidence.
Is there not witnesses that support Wilson's description on the event. No I don't find it suspicious that Wilson may not have mentioned at the time about Browns hand position.
One could say by not doing so makes the witness statements suspect.
I can't/won't speak for other posters. One reason I don't like all inclusive statements.
I agree with little facts that have been given it is most likely a clean shoot.
As far as your last statement. Yep, many have made up their minds. Just like the protesters in the other St. Luis ? event where a black teenager shot at the police. The police returned fire and the kid died. People are angry because the police shot another black kid. Never mind the kid fired first. So goes the world.
the cop was in the police SUVYou're kidding right? An officer, who had already pulled the trigger twice after hand to hand combat with the subject IN THE POLICE VEHICLE isn't going to regress into using a less lethal alternative.
"with little response" does not square with witness accounts. the black victim ran FROM the police SUV and was twenty feet from the shooting cop. he was in a subordinate position, offering no resistanceHe had already wounded the suspect with little responce and he continue to attack.
with the young black man now twenty feet away, in a subordinated position, and wounded. and notably, without an armed weapon. please share with us why the shooter was still worried about his own life at this pointThe officer was indeed worried about his own life at that point.
I don't know what that means. If his hands were up and he was shot, how would the bullets enter on the other side of his arm?
Are you saying his arm movements were faster than the velocity of the bullets, plural?
and one must question why a innocent would have been fired for racist actions while serving as a law enforcement officer
and if anyone were to be tugged into such a window would your immediate response not be fight or flee
The entire police force was disbanded - both those that did wrong and those that did no wrong were without a job. There is no indication that he was of the group that did wrong. in fact.. there have been indiciations that he was one of those that did no wrong.
I agree that one should wait till investigation is completed and released before drawing any conclusions.
Why the emphasis on black and white witness. I don't care what color/race a witness is. All witness statements need to be collaborated by other evidence.
Is there not witnesses that support Wilson's description on the event. No I don't find it suspicious that Wilson may not have mentioned at the time about Browns hand position.
One could say by not doing so makes the witness statements suspect.
I can't/won't speak for other posters. One reason I don't like all inclusive statements.
I agree with little facts that have been given it is most likely a clean shoot.
As far as your last statement. Yep, many have made up their minds. Just like the protesters in the other St. Luis ? event where a black teenager shot at the police. The police returned fire and the kid died. People are angry because the police shot another black kid. Never mind the kid fired first. So goes the world.
based on your comment below, recognizing that the cop's door was closed, then there appears to be agreement that the 'tussle' between the two men happened thru the SUV driver side windowRight.. Because it's at all beleiveable that someone is going to be sitting in a car and attempt to pull a 300 lb 6 foot man through a car window.
we know the cop approached the two black men and told them thru the driver's side window to 'get the **** on the sidewalk'. he the continued past them. stopped and put the SUV in reverse coming alongside the two menYou would also, apparently, believe that no one slammed the door shut when Wilson attempted to exit his vehicle.. it just bounced off someone and closed on the officer
:roll:
where are the indications that he was innocent but fired for racial bigotry anyway
The former captain (or someone high up) indicated he was not one of hte problem individuals. Realize, there is a big difference between being fired for cause, which seems to be what you are looking at, and a job or company being disbanded or closed.
so, that then causes me to believe there is a possibility that the reversed car, approaching the men to get close to them, got so close that there was no room to open the door, confirming the witnesses' accounts
there is a difference between elimination a position and eliminating the person who fills that position
in this instance, the city eliminated the person and not the position
The white cop who killed unarmed black teen Michael Brown on Aug. 9 was once part of a Missouri police force that was disbanded over racial tensions in the community it served.
Officer Darren Wilson was a member of the 45-employee Jennings, Mo., Police Department that was fired by its city council in 2011 and replaced by St. Louis County Police, the Washington Post reported.
Wilson, 28, didn’t rack up any disciplinary issues during his tenure in Jennings, but the nearly all-white police force came under fire for its poor relations with the predominantly black community.
Wilson, who was raised in Texas, was among the officers given the chance to reapply for their jobs, but he left Jennings for the nearby Ferguson Police Department.
So guilty until proven innocent, huh?where are the indications that he was innocent but fired for racial bigotry anyway
No, of course not. But the physical evidence that has been leaked also doesn't conclude who started the physical altercation, or exactly what happened during the entire fight. It does indicate that Brown likely did have his hand on Wilson's gun. Whether that was because he was trying to take the gun from Wilson and shoot him with it, or if it was because he thought Wilson was determined to kill him and was trying to stop him, is a question only Michael Brown could have answered, but it would appear to give Wilson a legitimate reason to pull the trigger while he was in the car.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that Brown initiated an attack on a police officer but didn't bother to first drop the cigarillos he was holding. Additionally, the fact that he handed the cigarillos to Johnson mid-altercation makes me think that he was taken by surprise when Wilson escalated the situation to the level where he drew his gun. But I'll concede that just because it doesn't make sense, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Because Brown may have thought that Wilson was some "Klansman with a badge." Taking something that I said Brown may have been thinking and outright accusing me of thinking it is completely inappropriate.
First, there's no proof that Wilson was assaulted... unless there's some medical evidence that hasn't come out yet.
However I believe that is your view, not Brown's.
That's America, you can believe whatever you want.
Sure, but you can still have your credibility discredited when you do so in a discussion if it's nonsense.
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