Wayno
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....The oil companies are the suppliers....
It's very relative...
No, because these minimum wage rates were more progressively adjusted in the 90's in an effort to maintain parity with inflation (of course monitary policy limiting inflation did have an effect also). This was done because as you accurately stated that prior to they were not...but now they are right in line if not a little ahead...check it out.
yes, do that and then those who are without the means to pay for the essential services they require - thru no fault of their own - but which care is now covered by welfare, will be left to die
another example of the vaunted compassionate conservatism
Explain this: Norway and Denmark retained the pole positions they held last year in the overall prosperity measure, while Sweden leapfrogged Australia and New Zealand into third. Canada, Finland, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Ireland rounded out the top ten.
In its sub-indexes, Legatum named Switzerland the strongest economy and home to the best system of governance. Denmark is the most entrepreneurial and New Zealand has the best education, while health is best in Luxembourg and Iceland is the safest. Canadians enjoy the most personal freedom and Norwegians have the greatest social capital. Every one of them is a liberal government.
yes, do that and then those who are without the means to pay for the essential services they require - thru no fault of their own - but which care is now covered by welfare, will be left to die
another example of the vaunted compassionate conservatism
How so? As you proclaimed 'If companies could use slaves for work they would' but see...they CAN'T thus it is not relative AT ALL! all the rest is jibber jabber.
In America, if there's TRULY something you want to do, with hard work and sacrifice, you can usually find a way to go do it....
Is there some reason that you continue to spout the Obama talking points? let me know when we have a deficit reduction, economic growth of over 4%, less than 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, a reduction of people on food stamps and other taxpayer assistance? Learn how our economy works and the four components. Then go to OBama and help him understand it.
I said exactly why. You cut it out of the quote. The point is, companies will go for as little wages as possible no matter the cost to society or the people they hurt. We are asking for a basic living wage that adjusts to inflation. We are not asking to live in luxury or to take a living from anyone else. That is the difference. Humanity vs profit.
I have heard the phrase "liberish" used in this sense. I think it comes from the notion that if you say a lot of stuff real fast and throw in some catchy phrases, people will miss the fact that the lot of stuff you just said is complete BS. Weird, I know, but we do have the latest election results to testify to its effectiveness on a significant portion of the American public. Thank the schools, who also apparently teach only Keynesian economics, and even that not very well.How so? As you proclaimed 'If companies could use slaves for work they would' but see...they CAN'T thus it is not relative AT ALL! all the rest is jibber jabber.
Tell that to the Saudi's........
I'm citing a fact, and you keep calling it a talkng point? Yeah right, facts are the talking points that conservatives hate. I get it. We have a deficit reduction taking place right now. Where have you been? We learned about a month ago that the U.S. budget deficit for the most recent fiscal year fell to $1.089 trillion, $200 billion smaller than it was last year, and nearly $300 billion smaller than when President Obama took office.
For the right, the complaints stayed the same -- the deficit that exploded under Bush/Cheney was still too high. But regardless of ideology, the fact remains that there's been an enormous drop in the size of the deficit in the first half of the Obama era.
Yes, that is exactly the problem. But the conservative problem is that you believe the bad part of that is the government and not the horrible private wages. Minimum wage hikes throughout history have not caused any significant increase in unemployment. Prices will rise no doubt, but the wage increase will more than compensate for those adjusted prices.
I have heard the phrase "liberish" used in this sense. I think it comes from the notion that if you say a lot of stuff real fast and throw in some catchy phrases, people will miss the fact that the lot of stuff you just said is complete BS. Weird, I know, but we do have the latest election results to testify to its effectiveness on a significant portion of the American public. Thank the schools, who also apparently teach only Keynesian economics, and even that not very well.
I said exactly why. You cut it out of the quote. The point is, companies will go for as little wages as possible no matter the cost to society or the people they hurt. We are asking for a basic living wage that adjusts to inflation. We are not asking to live in luxury or to take a living from anyone else. That is the difference. Humanity vs profit.
No...they were not.
Federal Minimum Wage Rates, 1955
This shows the rates adjusted for inflation from the same source you provided. You are wrong.
Even allowing more drilling would help.
Because obviously all the oil we use comes from there.
We're already doing that. Global drilling for oil and gas is dominated by North America, in particular the USA. In January 1995 there was 737 oil and gas rigs drilling in the USA, 42% of the world total. By October 2011 this figure had grown to 2010 rigs, 55% of the world total. Proportionally the USA has increased it's drilling effort compared to the rest of the world and currently benefits from lower oil prices, significantly lower natural gas prices and higher economic growth than many OECD peers.
Oil Production Remains the Same, but Rig Counts Continue to Grow
You explained with nonsense. You have no right to a basic living wage. Such things are earned. My comments weren't directed to you anyway. I quit the education business a long time ago.Lol, that's funny considering that's exactly what Romney tried doing in the debate but we're getting off topic here.
I explained what I meant so maybe you should respond to that instead of spouting off nonsense about something that was answered.
Austrian economics is a joke in a fantasy world.
It doesn't increase consumer spending. It creates more unemployment. The fact of the matter is, businesses are reducing workers to 29 hours a week because of Obamacare regulations. Raising the minimum wage will only hurt these workers more, while at the same time it will crowd out young unskilled workers and minorities out of the Labor Market. You are not calculating the opportunity costs associated with a minimum wage increase. For every household that sees a 2800 increase, another has lost their income as businesses adjust to increased costs. They also charge more for their Goods and Services. It hurts the economy. It doesn't help it.
Consumer spending is on the decline as well - Retail sales growth slows as higher taxes kick in | Reuters
And the US needs "guest workers" because? If you raise the minumum wage will that create (or save) any jobs? McJobs are NEVER going to support "families" at the level that liberals wish them to. If they did then who would seek to gain more work skills and experience? Those tha now make minimum wage X 1.5 or minimum wage + $4/hour will expect to still make that realtive to a McJob, so the minumum dream wage "increase" will simply disappear from inflation. Minimum rents will rise, as will food costs and all COLA adjustments for retirement pay and SS benefits. You cannot magically dictate "fairness" without thinking it through.
You explained with nonsense. You have no right to a basic living wage. Such things are earned. My comments weren't directed to you anyway. I quit the education business a long time ago.
What I bolded is a bald-faced lie.
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