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Sorry Anti-Choicers - SCOTUS is wrong.


Bodi said:
This is the Slam Dunk of posts... really well done.

Sorry @JoeB131 You just got destroyed.
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It wont phase him at all. He blamed the kids in foster homes waiting to be adopted for their issues and for being rejected.
All the while demanding we end elective abortion, forcing women to produce more of these kids just to dump them for adoption. Then he posts that they're "damaged goods." His posts are proud depraved indifference. Some of the most unchristian I've seen.

JoeB131 said:
How many of them are newborn babies. Adopting an older kid is like buying a used car, you are just buying someone else's problem.
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JoeB131 said:
If you are one of the 100,000 where parental rights have been revoked, you probably have a lot of other issues that parents aren't really ready to deal with.
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weaver2 said:
There is no "might" to it. Foster children face and uncertain and often tragic future. There are studies outlining what happens and the % of children effected.
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I'm sure there are. Some of them might not even be total bullshit.


_.sokoa said:
Don't. Animals have protections but it doesn't mean we recognize them as legal persons. And even the Unborn Victims of Violence Act explicitly states it doesn't affect abortion law or personhood status under Roe.
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Yet we are still sending people to prison for killing fetuses.

_.sokoa said:
The harsher sentence comes from the double homicide statute, which again doesn't inherently mean the law considers the fetus a person legally. It's called consequences.
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Right TWO Homicides. Lacy and Connor. Not Lacy who happened to be pregnant.

_.sokoa said:
So you agree that people and even courts get swept up emotionally, but you use that same case as evidence of personhood. Emotional responses ≠ coherent legal or moral criteria for personhood.
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People get wrongly convicted all the time, and Peterson never challenged the murder of his son being of a "non-person". He just claimed he didn't do it. probably because he didn't do it. He did, however cheat on his wife and was still talking to the mistress while people were looking for his wife, which made him look like a real shitheel.

Lursa said:
That doesnt dispute what I wrote...this is the 2nd time I had to explain that to you. It's based on the crime, and the value society places on it. You are very triggered and not really absorbing anything...very emotional.
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Im not absorbing your nonsense, if that's what you mean. People go to jail for killing fetuses. They never really go to jail for killing animals unless it was something particularly cruel.

Lursa said:
That's BS and it doesnt matter...they cant recommend a sentence that isnt available for the charge. Death penalty was only available for 1st degree murder...and that was for Lacey. The other charge was lesser and didnt have the death penalty.
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Except he was convicted of two murders, and if it was only lacy, I doubt he'd have gotten the death penalty.

Bodi said:
This is the Slam Dunk of posts... really well done.

Sorry @JoeB131 You just got destroyed.
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Okay, if you need to believe that.

THe ironic thing is why you all need to beleive abortion is okay somehow.
 
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Um, sorry, man, just the voice of pragmatism.

We shouldn't be killing babies because parents aren't willing to handle someone else's kid with severe emotional or physical problems.

In fact, there are 2 million families awaiting adoption in this country. Most of the 100,000 you are faking concern about have special needs.
 
You mean the homeless that exist because liberal goo-goos closed the mental hospitals.

So what's your solution? Murder healthy babies because some might grow up to be homeless?
weaver2 said:
Each year in prison takes 2 years off an individual's life expectancy.
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That's a shame.

I'm sure their victims are really sad about that.
 
JoeB131 said:
Except he was convicted of two murders, and if it was only lacy, I doubt he'd have gotten the death penalty.
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Still disputes nothing I said. And you are wrong...based on legal fact. The killing of the fetus didnt allow for the death penalty sentence. The first degree murder of Lacy did. Your doubts are meaningless...these are facts.

JoeB131 said:
Im not absorbing your nonsense, if that's what you mean. People go to jail for killing fetuses. They never really go to jail for killing animals unless it was something particularly cruel.
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Lursa said:
That doesnt dispute what I wrote...this is the 2nd 3rd time I had to explain that to you. It's based on the crime, and the value society places on it. You are very triggered and not really absorbing anything...very emotional.
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JoeB131 said:
THe ironic thing is why you all need to beleive abortion is okay somehow.
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Lursa said:
I dont think anyone thinks abortion is "good", like who thinks divorce or surgery is good? But their reasons and needs and outcomes are the point.
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And you cant even explain why it's wrong. Just a statement, not why, except "God."

So all your posts are BS since you cant even articulate why women shouldnt have abortions...they're not wrong. So your BS on restricting abortions is a farce, continual emotional vomit and indifference to women and children's suffering (blaming kids waiting to be adopted for their being born...disgusting)
 

And you cant even explain why it's wrong. Just a statement, not why, except "God."



And that doesnt erase these disgusting tirades:

JoeB131 said:
How many of them are newborn babies. Adopting an older kid is like buying a used car, you are just buying someone else's problem.
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JoeB131 said:
If you are one of the 100,000 where parental rights have been revoked, you probably have a lot of other issues that parents aren't really ready to deal with.
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Your posts are horrifically inhumane...you are encouraging the birth of more of these unwanted children. Absolutely disgusting. There's no way you hold any moral High Ground on the issue of abortion.
 
JoeB131 said:
In fact, there are 2 million families awaiting adoption in this country.
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Then have a baby and give it up for adoption. Lead by example.

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How many babies have you adopted?


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Why is abortion wrong?
 
Gordy327 said:
Why is abortion wrong?
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He can only say it is, but not articulate why. Except "God"...the same God that he denies when he blames children waiting to be adopted for being born.

Makes no sense...just his need to blame society's ills on single mothers, all the while demanding these women give birth to kids they cant afford or raise properly. Absolute nonsense. "Women getting married" will fix all society's problems, "that's what's wrong with America today!" (He cries shaking his fist at the sky) Desperate for the "golden 1950s". Yeah, for a white middle or upper class males. For everyone else...it was less of everything for women/gays/minorities. Including respect.

It's the sickest, saddest cliche ever. Disenfranchised white males blaming everyone else for their issues with society.
 
Indeed. Its all just idiotic, ignorant, misogynistic crap! No better than trolling.
 
Gordy327 said:
Indeed. Its all just idiotic, ignorant, misogynistic crap! No better than trolling.
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Yup. Hatin' on single mothers while demanding they become single mothers ​

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blaming kids waiting to be adopted for being born ​

Not a lick 'o sense in there, just the petrified wood of ancient male privilege. How rude of society to disrupt that!
 
Its like some people want to live in the past. Go figure.
 
Gordy327 said:
Its like some people want to live in the past. Go figure.
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Why not? In the US, white males ruled the roost. At home, in business, in opportunities, in law-making, etc. it was less of everything for women/gays/minorities. Including respect.

Of course some resent losing that control.
 
JoeB131 said:
Yet we are still sending people to prison for killing fetuses.
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Yeah, and we also send people to prison for animal abuse, like I said. Legal punishment doesn't = personhood status. The law can protect things for instrumental or symbolic reasons. A fetus can be protected because of potential life, or out of respect for the parent's loss. Not because it's a legal person with rights independent of the mother.
JoeB131 said:
Right TWO Homicides. Lacy and Connor. Not Lacy who happened to be pregnant.
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This is just semantics. The statute labels it as a second homicide, but again, the Unborn Victims of Violence Act says it doesn't confer personhood or impact abortion rights. If the law actually viewed fetuses as persons, elective abortion would legally be murder across the board.
JoeB131 said:
People get wrongly convicted all the time, and Peterson never challenged the murder of his son being of a "non-person".
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He was fighting for his life on a murder charge, he's not making an argument on fetal personhood. That's not how criminal defense works.
JoeB131 said:
He did, however cheat on his wife and was still talking to the mistress while people were looking for his wife, which made him look like a real shitheel.
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I mean you're casually admitting that the jury was reacting to emotions and not evidence. You even admitted earlier that it was an emotional verdict. Why are you using this same emotionally-driven case to argue a broader point?
 
'Petrified wood.....'?
You're making me feel old.
 
The **** is ordered liberty and how has that ever been concretely defined?
 
JoeB131 said:
You mean the homeless that exist because liberal goo-goos closed the mental hospitals.

So what's your solution? Murder healthy babies because some might grow up to be homeless?

That's a shame.

I'm sure their victims are really sad about that.
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That was Reagan.****ing Goo goo lol…. Now we are keeping dead women barely alive for a clump of cells.
 
Lursa said:
And you cant even explain why it's wrong. Just a statement, not why, except "God."
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I don't think I've said "God" at all, other than saying that is what a lot of people believe.

If a fetus is a person at some point between conception and when the umbilical chord is cut, then, yes, they are entitled to protections.

That has little to do with God.

That said, this has to be a change in the culture, not the law. Change the law, you will have an unworkable law people will break.
 

Then they should be charged as assault, not homicide.

_.sokoa said:
He was fighting for his life on a murder charge, he's not making an argument on fetal personhood. That's not how criminal defense works.
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Why not argue Connor wasn't a person? That would reduce the number of murder charges. Then he could still argue he didn't do it. However, his position was that he was a victim, and Connor and Lacy were taken from him by actors unknown.

_.sokoa said:
I mean you're casually admitting that the jury was reacting to emotions and not evidence. You even admitted earlier that it was an emotional verdict. Why are you using this same emotionally-driven case to argue a broader point?
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Because popular opinion is how we make laws. If we are horrified by a stranger killing an 8 month old fetus or even his father, we should be horrified when the woman it's inside does.


bomberfox said:
That was Reagan.****ing Goo goo lol…. Now we are keeping dead women barely alive for a clump of cells.
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Um, no. The thing that closed down the Mental Hospitals wasn't Reagan, it was the ruling O'Connor vs. Donaldson (1975) that ruled that a person cannot be institutionalized against their will. The Homeless actually started filling our streets before Reagan got there. Now, you can (and should) fault Reagan for not doing enough (but neither did Carter or Clinton).
 
JoeB131 said:
I don't think I've said "God" at all, other than saying that is what a lot of people believe.
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You have.

JoeB131 said:
If a fetus is a person at some point between conception and when the umbilical chord is cut, then, yes, they are entitled to protections.
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Again...why? You are making statements. Why is abortion wrong?

And the unborn is not a person at any time until outside the woman. "Person" is a legal status.
 
Gordy327 said:
Why is abortion wrong?
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Because it's killing a baby. Duh.


Never really talked about "God".

And if you think that our society is in a good place with the systematic destruction of the family over the last 50 years, then you must be willfully blind.

Tell you what, take a walk at midnight in some urban area, and then you can tell them how we'd all be better off if they had been aborted.
 
JoeB131 said:
Because it's killing a baby. Duh.
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False. And it's still not why it's wrong to kill the unborn. "Duh"

JoeB131 said:
Never really talked about "God".
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Yet, you have.


Hide hide hide hide. I know you cant answer it.
 
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