repeter
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This poll is deceiving because you cannot have a socialist government and capitalist government working together as a single body. It's either socialism or capitalism, there is no idealist 'perfect' world where socialism and capitalism can work together under the same government.
I dont want to be nit-picking or derail the thread, but what the USSR had was not pure Socialism. It was Communism which IS different from Socialism.Consider pure Socialism. The Soviet Union fell apart because the institution simply didn't work. I really don't think I need to say anymore about Socialism.
I dont want to be nit-picking or derail the thread, but what the USSR had was not pure Socialism. It was Communism which IS different from Socialism.
I dont want to be nit-picking or derail the thread, but what the USSR had was not pure Socialism. It was Communism which IS different from Socialism.
The USS had a Communist style of government and economy. The state was responsible for directing and managing the economy. That is not necessarily true with Socialism (although some forms of Socialism do embrace this).I was under the impression that they still had what could be considered a Socialist economy.
Even if that isn't the case, I'm just using Socialism to depict centrally-planned economies, which don't work regardless of where and when.
Agreed, the message seems to be "if you fail, give up, dont try again."Not to mention the fact that "socialism doesn't work because the USSR fell apart" is a completely braindead argument to make. "It fell apart because it didn't work. I don't need to say anything else about it!" :roll:
Not to mention the fact that "socialism doesn't work because the USSR fell apart" is a completely braindead argument to make. "It fell apart because it didn't work. I don't need to say anything else about it!" :roll:
repeter said:Would you like me to explain why it fell apart?
No, your assertions in your earlier posts in this thread have shown that you are unable to do so, so I'd rather you not try, thanks.
Then if you don't want the explanation, stop wasting time.
The whole Capitalism versus Socialism debate is absurd and I think only really ignorant people take part in it. In the modern global market, a mixed economy is essential to survival. I can't believe that there are people out there who still hold the elementary school conception that China is a communist country and the United States is a capitalist country. There are very few nations on this planet that don't have a heavily regulated capitalistic system in place. The debate is no longer about whether or not there should be regulation, but how much regulation there should be.
I think the regulation argument is contextual.
Some people (myself included) belief that basic contractual/criminal laws should be the only enforcement, while others look towards putting additional limits outside of those.
I think there is a place for "socialism" although I'd call it communalism, that is with the family and to a lesser extent your immediate local community.
Outside of that I don't think it functions very well.
That might be how you want it, but that isn't what it takes to compete in the world today. China is setting itself up to be the next superpower and it's far from the kind of capitalism that you would probably envision. The reality is bureaucracy doesn't function well, and that is true whether it is a private corporation or government institution.
The whole Capitalism versus Socialism debate is absurd and I think only really ignorant people take part in it. In the modern global market, a mixed economy is essential to survival. I can't believe that there are people out there who still hold the elementary school conception that China is a communist country and the United States is a capitalist country. There are very few nations on this planet that don't have a heavily regulated capitalistic system in place. The debate is no longer about whether or not there should be regulation, but how much regulation there should be.
I see corporatism as a result of government and business operating in league together.
That is a naive assumption. Of course corporations exist because of government. For an economy to develop beyond a barter system it needs some form of government oversight. Even within a barter system, people can get pretty steamed if they get traded bad products and so oversight of the market naturally evolves. Merchants get together and pick impartial people to judge whether deals are fair. Regulation is created by the market, not in spite of it.
Not to the size and extreme that they currently exist.
Big corporations love regulation because it excludes smaller competitors and they get to help write those laws.
When you ask for more intense regulation, you're asking to be hustled.
The big capitalists hate capitalism, it forces them to compete.
Basic contractual and criminal rules that apply equally are good regulations.
So I can't even vote on any of the options in the poll. It's not just a matter of how much socialism or capitalism is applied in a country's economy but also to which aspects of a country's economy are socialism and capitalism applied.
I agree. I think the ideologies are flawed. In reality, the moment a system is put in place, someone will figure out a way to exploit it to their advantage. We have seen that with capitalism, socialism, and mixed economies. The best system will always be a fluid system, in which regulation can change and be adjusted as needed, but the degree to which even this can be exploited is dependent upon how aware and educated the public is. The recent recession is indicative of how adjustable regulation can be disastrous if it is done via ideology rather than through calculation. I don't think I will ever forget Greenspan admitting he made a mistake by assuming that the self interest of the banks would be enough to protect the equity and shareholders. Free market ideology has no place outside of an Economics classroom. What would work in a perfect world, with all the parameters defined and respected, is not what happens in a reality where people will find a way to exploit any system for their own personal benefit.
Not to the size and extreme that they currently exist.
Big corporations love regulation because it excludes smaller competitors and they get to help write those laws.
When you ask for more intense regulation, you're asking to be hustled.
The big capitalists hate capitalism, it forces them to compete.
Basic contractual and criminal rules that apply equally are good regulations.
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