In fact, you know whats even funnier, as my memory recalls, when someone in the Obama administration made the statement that the US no longer had the capacity to drive global growth because of long term problems, you called it "Un American". Wouldn't it be amazing if I had that quote somewhere.
Oh wait, here it is... :mrgreen:
So, when someone says reality, this is your response.
Cooooooooooooool
It is quite amusing to hear conservatives complain about S.S. as an entitlement and a bad thing, but then they themselves have no problem using it.
It's quite simple conservatives, if you think it is a drain on the budget, stop using it.
You can tax the corporations all you want but they will just pass these costs on to the consumer, go broke, or leave. Looking for others to pay for political whims and societal security just doesn't work.
We can see that especially clearly in Europe right now. The problems they're experiencing now should have been predictable and obvious from the start yet people everywhere will ignore human experience and think that maybe, just maybe, this time it might work, The consequences are always debt and disappointment.
It subsidizes health insurance, but insurance itself is not the issue
The reason insurance is expensive is because health care is expensive
For that matter, health care itself is just one of many ways of paying for health problems. People can seek treatment, or they can choose to be less productive and/or die earlier because they're sick, or they can choose to take care of themselves through behavioral changes they'd prefer not to make. But one way or another, people WILL pay for the fact that health problems exist.
Government-subsidized health insurance does not change this reality.
It merely affects the WAY in which people choose to pay for health problems (e.g. more people seek treatment, fewer people choose to forgo it and be less productive) and it changes WHO is paying for it. Therefore I reject the notion that this is a "new entitlement" (in the sense that a new expense is suddenly being created that didn't exist before), because people have always had health problems and frequently have sought health care to solve those problems.
The important question is how it affects the overall economic costs...and I'm including both the financial costs and the hidden costs.
I have never said raise taxs on the rich to pay for fixing anything, Ive never said raise taxs on corporations period.
What I have said is no more tax breaks until were out of this mess and certainly no more huge tax breaks and have the middle class tons more to get us out of debt...thats just absurd and thats what ryan wants to do
It is quite amusing to hear conservatives complain about S.S. as an entitlement and a bad thing, but then they themselves have no problem using it.
Are you actually here to debate or just troll threads with out of context BS? ARE the GOP Perfect? Never claimed they are, are there politicians of all stripes that **** up, sure are. I believe in CONSERVATISM, not the Republican Party. This is where your commentary fails, where your logic falters, and why I'm mocking you now.
They don't care about tomorrow, they care about today. What can I have today > what might have to be paid for tomorrow.
And Duece agains adds nothing to a thread.
Why did America Elect such people taht have no faith in the Country? The shame of this Administration will take a generation to expunge.
Social Security's challenges are mild compared to those of Medicare. Moreover, Social Security can be fixed with some actuarial changes (eligibility age, benefit structure, funding, or some combination of the three). Medicare's challenges are far more complex. In part, they result, from problems inherent in the nation's health care system, specifically the excessive cost growth problem.
This is first non-centrist post I've ever seen you post. You suggest we fix something which should not exist even close to this form. Social Security should have been changed 50 years ago, and not let go on and on and on, lulling this country into believing that a wrong principle, and un-American and un-Constitutional principle was the right thing to do. This whole business has gone on way to long, and doesn't even make good business sense. Same thing with Medicare, it socialism and it coming apart. Look at the European example (with their socialism), once the US economy goes under, they're finished over there.
lol.
Yet you fail to understand they've been quicker to react to their fiscal problems, ALOT QUICKER then you (considering you haven't done anything really).
Oh well.
He and his conservative cohorts (that is not all conservatives) fail to understand quite many things including this subject. It is funny that their only solutions is cut cut cut and lower taxes on the rich..
Yeah but at the same time Pete, raising taxes on the rich isn't a magical solution either.
It takes across the board cuts and across the board tax raises.
But that would simply make too much sense, after all, election results are more important then the countries future, haven't you heard?
And that goes for both sides.
Medicare's issues stem from the fact that making cuts hurts industry and thus affects the economy. A majority of healthcare funding in this country comes from Medicare. It's easy to say "cut medicare" unless you realize that at the same time you are saying "cut healthcare reimbursement to providers, thus cutting healthcare access/quality to patients." With a population that lives longer, and baby boomers entering the system (and likely stressing the hell out of it) the challenge of keeping medicare viable is astronomical.
lol.
Yet you fail to understand they've been quicker to react to their fiscal problems, ALOT QUICKER then you (considering you haven't done anything really).
Oh well.
Yes, we can see how they've been quick to react.
Riots across Europe fuelled by economic crisis - Telegraph
Did Europe piss on your kids in christmas eve or something?
Just because there were riots, does not mean anything to my statement, that the European nations are making a better effort then the US to tackle their fiscal problems.
I see what you're saying. I'm generally amused when I see hospitals/doctors threatening to stop treating Medicare patients. If that happens, pardon the cynic in me, 30-year-olds will start needing hip replacements. So, excellent point.
No matter what one's income, the Medicare deductible is (I believe still) $225.00 a year. There is no excuse for this model.
A progressive deductible depending upon one's income (or assets) makes far more sense and would save billions...both in actual dollars and, more importantly, in how seniors use the system. 47 million people are on Medicare. If 25% of them have incomes (or assets) high enough to justify a $2,500 deductible, that would save the system $27 billion -- just in deductible savings. Many of these people would change the way they use the system if the first $2,500 came out of their pockets resulting in more significant savings.
Further, the $99 (approx.) monthly premium for Medicare should be progressive as well. If that 25% number held, and those 25% were required to pay a monthly premium of $400 (an absolute positive bargain!), that's another $43 billion saved annually.
Raise the upper limit payroll taxes on Medicare/Drug coverage from its current approximate $100K ceiling, maybe to $200K.
Make some currently-covered Medicare procedures co-op pay -- such as routine podiatry care.
Levy some taxes that, instead of going into the general revenue fund, go into the Medicare pot. Example might be an environmentally friendly tax on bottled water. The US consumes 50 billion bottles of water each year x 10-cent tax into the Medicare fund = $5 billion. Junk food and soda taxes -- let's do some social engineering.
Taxing junk/soda could do double duty -- raising money and, perhaps, making us a tad more healthy. I couldn't find absolute numbers on soda, but I did find that, in 2008, the average American consumed 412 8-ounce servings of Coke. That's 15 billion 8-ounce cans of just Coke x 10-cents a can = $1.5 billion. (A 12-ounce can of soda has about 12 teaspoons of sugar in it, by the by.) Put a tax on fast foods...processed foods. Why not?? The stuff's killing us.
Levy a separate Medicare tax on tobacco and liquor products.
I believe that the same way we can handle Social Security's woes can be used, with modification, to handle Medicare's.
Did Europe piss on your kids in christmas eve or something?
Just because there were riots, does not mean anything to my statement, that the European nations are making a better effort then the US to tackle their fiscal problems.
Did Europe piss on your kids in christmas eve or something?
Of course pissing is what Europeans do best though your suggestion that the might piss on Christmas presents seems a little too anti Christian, even for them.
It was you who said, "you fail to understand they've been quicker to react to their fiscal problems", yet failed to provide any evidence. I showed Europeans rioting as a result of their economic woes, along with photographic evidence.
Just because there were riots, does not mean anything to my statement, that the European nations are making a better effort then the US to tackle their fiscal problems.
Sure, and I'll take your word for that. Riot until all benefits are paid and the budget is balanced. A good Euro plan.,
He is baiting and trying to change the topic .. he does that a lot.. and has been reported yet again. Dont stoop to his level.
Of course pissing is what Europeans do best though your suggestion that the might piss on Christmas presents seems a little too anti Christian, even for them.
It was you who said, "you fail to understand they've been quicker to react to their fiscal problems", yet failed to provide any evidence. I showed Europeans rioting as a result of their economic woes, along with photographic evidence.
Sure, and I'll take your word for that. Riot until all benefits are paid and the budget is balanced. A good Euro plan.,
And unless a person has been living under a rock anyone with a passing knowledge on current events would know that
Greece has made extensive government spending cuts, and increased taxes. Unfortunately for Greece the economy contracted drastically making the spending cuts seem not as big as a % of GDP
The UK has made massive spending cuts
BBC News - Spending Review 2010: Key points at-a-glanceAbout 490,000 public sector jobs likely to be lost
Average 19% four-year cut in departmental budgets
Structural deficit to be eliminated by 2015
£7bn in additional welfare budget cuts
Police funding cut by 4% a year
Retirement age to rise from 65 to 66 by 2020
English schools budget protected; £2bn extra for social care
NHS budget in England to rise every year until 2015
Regulated rail fares to rise 3% above inflation
Bank levy to be made permanent
The UK is mothballing its current aircraft carrier, selling one of the two it is contracted to build. Grounding and most likely selling its Harrier jets.
I am not sure of the response in Spain, or Portugal
And unless a person has been living under a rock anyone with a passing knowledge on current events would know that
Greece has made extensive government spending cuts, and increased taxes. Unfortunately for Greece the economy contracted drastically making the spending cuts seem not as big as a % of GDP
The UK has made massive spending cuts
BBC News - Spending Review 2010: Key points at-a-glance
The UK is mothballing its current aircraft carrier, selling one of the two it is contracted to build. Grounding and most likely selling its Harrier jets.
I am not sure of the response in Spain, or Portugal
Thanks for all of that.
Good to hear Europe is doing so well with their spending cuts. Any complaints yet, apart from the riots, about right wing fiscal extremism? Perhaps, for everyone's safety, the army should remain on standby.
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