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So the 'New World Order' is just conspiracy theory?

Hey Mcfly,

Well said!!!

I was just explaining to someone yesterday that the big change we are seeing currently is that there is now a better understanding of what is and has been happening in the mainstream.

There are people who are believed to be believable, and that are respected etc ringing the warning bell now.

To me this is a really big thing, and unlike the easily discarded and many times unbelievable unknown individual (who is simply labeled a nut etc) these are people with name recognition and some clout.

You have to wonder what this combination of hitting the mainstream, and being accepted and discussed by people who's opinions and statements are accepted is going to cause to happen. Will it actually be enough to get the average American off their azz's and and find the time to get involved in saving their own azz?

Time will tell

Hey, thanks...

Ya, I think that's a part of it, that people are starting to question what is coming out of the mainstream... I mean congresses approuval is still apparently in the 10% range. When I was young that was the biggest thing that made me ask questions... I mean, how come whenever it's 'news hour' you can see the same stories on pretty well every chanel and in the same sequence, and somehow these are 'independant media'??

My BIGGEST fear, is that things will get so bad that people get forced into a corner, and start shooting back. Then, YOU CAN BET that someone will push the 'LOCKDOWN' button... and it's martial law. Then it'll be nothing short of a shooting war... now, at the 1% of people fighting back is still millions of people... however, the military is so much more advanced in technology that I'm afraid they might just get wiped out in the end. Tragic as that may be. Once this happens... game over.

My biggest HOPE is that when the time comes and the orders are shouted through the telephones that those enforcing things will turn and say 'that's an illegal order that I will not follow' With cops and military on the side of freedom and the constitution... then there is an organized force, that can finally put an end to the evil, THEN we might get a popular PRESIDENT instead of just another puppet. If this effort is successful, it can really be a new renaissance for ALL of mankind as a whole.

To put it simply there is currently a battle being fought for the hearts and minds of the people, the system designed to keep you smart enough to run the machines but not so smart that you actually ask questions about how come you end up on the bad end of the stick all the time.

Oath Keepers: Oath Keepers: Orders We Will Not Obey

Secret State Police Report: Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Libertarians are Terrorists (The report seen on this page is legitimate, it's not a forgery) Give you an idea, you support Ron Paul, Bobb Barr, constitutional bumper stickers, support the second ammendment, anti-abortion, racist slogans, etc,,,, Guess what, they are trying to train cops that YOU are a domestic terrorist . militia member. There is a potential lawsuit in the making, no joke.

So, in other words, it is highly important to get people to understand what's going on... cause sadly, when the worst starts to happen, sadly, many people will die. (There are sources that offer varying numbers... 500 million global population maintained perpetually, a 80-95% population reduction of the earth, and so on... That's why I kinda freaked out a bit when the story comes out that Baxter nearly released a vaccine that would almost certainly create a bird flu that is both highly contagious and highly fatal (an 'accident' apparently)... Also consider that autism has skyrocketed, same with cancer rates.

I'm still mostly just a repeater of this information, but I've seen enough all in all to realize that it's not a coincidence.

Oh, I also heard the other day : The senate PASSED a bill for MANDATORY CIVILIAN SERVICE of EVERY individual 18-25. I haven't read it completely, but does say that everyone has a duty to serve their country, I've also heard that it essentially turns schools into military training camps.... I'd still have to verify that.

We're already in much greater trouble, but for the moment people still have the luxury of their comforts.... gotta at least try to minimize the part that is essentially inevitable.
 
Hey, thanks...

Ya, I think that's a part of it, that people are starting to question what is coming out of the mainstream... I mean congresses approuval is still apparently in the 10% range. When I was young that was the biggest thing that made me ask questions... I mean, how come whenever it's 'news hour' you can see the same stories on pretty well every chanel and in the same sequence, and somehow these are 'independant media'??

Interesting, and I have found that the reason I had become used to sourcing news outside the normal TV news sources etc was an unconscious attempt to find something that did not mimic the others, and also served up information that was not available etc.

It is amazing that while ABC, NBC, CNN, and all the other similar outlets pretty much deliver the same BS through different talking heads there is actually very different content available if you look for it, and I do not mean just on FOX either.



My BIGGEST fear, is that things will get so bad that people get forced into a corner, and start shooting back. Then, YOU CAN BET that someone will push the 'LOCKDOWN' button... and it's martial law. Then it'll be nothing short of a shooting war... now, at the 1% of people fighting back is still millions of people... however, the military is so much more advanced in technology that I'm afraid they might just get wiped out in the end. Tragic as that may be. Once this happens... game over.

Your not the only one with this fear, and from discussion with many friends and family that are in law enforcement there seems to have been certain changes in training at the academy that could be seen as supporting that it may be just in case your scenario plays out.

I can only base my opinion on local experience and knowledge, but newer grads of the academy have a very different view of the public as well as different training on how to work with them as their older senior officers.

I will not go as far as saying they are officially trained to be prepared that everyone is potentially a domestic terrorist threat, but some do make that very statement.

Have to wonder if this combined with the increased misuse of law enforcement as a tool for raising income for government is not the cause for most conflicts between the police and the public.

Lets hope if this sad day ever does come that the numbers will be large enough to offset any idea of martial law and imprisonment of our people as a whole.



My biggest HOPE is that when the time comes and the orders are shouted through the telephones that those enforcing things will turn and say 'that's an illegal order that I will not follow' With cops and military on the side of freedom and the constitution... then there is an organized force, that can finally put an end to the evil, THEN we might get a popular PRESIDENT instead of just another puppet. If this effort is successful, it can really be a new renaissance for ALL of mankind as a whole.

Hope can be a good thing unless it is abused like it has been in the past.

Remember that those receiving the call are not only officers (local, state, or even natl guard) but also family members who would be deciding on not only their moral beliefs but also on carrying out orders against their own.

I share your thoughts on this potentially being a source of better judgment, but you still can not forget the training instilled into many younger officers etc.

Have to admit we have seen enough of friggin puppets, and that goes for both parties.


To put it simply there is currently a battle being fought for the hearts and minds of the people, the system designed to keep you smart enough to run the machines but not so smart that you actually ask questions about how come you end up on the bad end of the stick all the time.


This is a very interesting point, and what some believe was part of the program with reducing the wage earning ability of the typical working class male that required the addition of a second wage earner typically the mother of the very children that have become accustomed to being raised by our school system.

Well low and behold at just who is raising our children, and preparing or conditioning them for the very situation you describe.

Remember things this large do not happen overnight and are incremental in small changes etc. If you want to view just large the changes are when measured over time just put together a small group of people representing as diverse an age group as possible, and hold on for the absolutely unbelievable differences in their opinions and beliefs on any more important subjects.

I have had the opportunity to have that happen a few times in the past, and I was almost shocked (it does take a lot to actually do that lol) at the level of conditioning of children and younger people and even those in their twenties.

An easy example was the diverse opposing views on saving the planet, what it was being saved from, and how a person would be considered good or bad based on their beliefs on the topic. Consider that a 16yo F was having very different views than the 48yo, but what was interesting was that the 32yo and 28yo who had been schooled during the start of the transition to attempting to create or instill certain thinking into Americas school children about global issues had altered opinion that seemed based on their living experience over time.

Still it was interesting to hear that this young lady completely believed without hesitation that having a big truck or not recycling everything etc you were some kind of demon, and that America was bad for controlling the entire world and going to war with who ever it wanted to. It is just too obvious where these beliefs came from etc.

Lets hope that most people are able to make their own decisions as they mature and learn more about life, and that this conditioning does not work against us all in the context you described earlier.



Oath Keepers: Oath Keepers: Orders We Will Not Obey

Secret State Police Report: Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Libertarians are Terrorists (The report seen on this page is legitimate, it's not a forgery) Give you an idea, you support Ron Paul, Bobb Barr, constitutional bumper stickers, support the second ammendment, anti-abortion, racist slogans, etc,,,, Guess what, they are trying to train cops that YOU are a domestic terrorist . militia member. There is a potential lawsuit in the making, no joke.

So, in other words, it is highly important to get people to understand what's going on... cause sadly, when the worst starts to happen, sadly, many people will die. (There are sources that offer varying numbers... 500 million global population maintained perpetually, a 80-95% population reduction of the earth, and so on... That's why I kinda freaked out a bit when the story comes out that Baxter nearly released a vaccine that would almost certainly create a bird flu that is both highly contagious and highly fatal (an 'accident' apparently)... Also consider that autism has skyrocketed, same with cancer rates.

I'm still mostly just a repeater of this information, but I've seen enough all in all to realize that it's not a coincidence.

Oh, I also heard the other day : The senate PASSED a bill for MANDATORY CIVILIAN SERVICE of EVERY individual 18-25. I haven't read it completely, but does say that everyone has a duty to serve their country, I've also heard that it essentially turns schools into military training camps.... I'd still have to verify that.

We're already in much greater trouble, but for the moment people still have the luxury of their comforts.... gotta at least try to minimize the part that is essentially inevitable.

I am going to try and research your links and other information soon as I can.

I have also heard and even on national news that the investigations or whatever you want to call the attempts to silence libertarians and others with loyalty to our country before any party etc, and can not see why they would not be real.

Some have even alerted me that much of what is said on forums just like this one is actually monitored and that lists do exist of those with views or comments that raise certain flags.

Though I do not believe anything is inevitable I do agree with your point on comforts and I actually have a name for this, I call it the FAT and HAPPY SYNDROME as most people will not bother to get off their lazy asses unless they are no longer able to keep their basic loves like a POS chinese big screen, or an SUV they will hardly ever utilize.

Soon as we are forced to decide between housing, food, feeding the kids or filling up the truck and buying something new etc the whole house of cards may come tumbling down.

Sure I am over exaggerating etc but I am sure you get the point.
 
Oath Keepers: Oath Keepers: Orders We Will Not Obey

Secret State Police Report: Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Libertarians are Terrorists (The report seen on this page is legitimate, it's not a forgery) Give you an idea, you support Ron Paul, Bobb Barr, constitutional bumper stickers, support the second ammendment, anti-abortion, racist slogans, etc,,,, Guess what, they are trying to train cops that YOU are a domestic terrorist . militia member. There is a potential lawsuit in the making, no joke.


First thanks for posting the links.

I hope everyone has taken the time to read this information, and allow it to sink into their minds.

As more and more credible people set off alarms, and more of these documents showing how those responsible for the many problems are concerned enough to support or fund the investigation of those offering solutions are made public it only supports the beliefs that we as a country are being sold out, and honestly it is rather concerning.

It was good to see that there are still good men willing to risk themselves in defense of our country, and as you may know this is what is needed to keep evil men from reaching their goals or agenda.

It would also appear obvious that if the NWO was nothing more than a conspiracy theory those people who are against it would not be being watched or investigated.

I have to wonder why the thread would be remaining in the conspiracy forums any longer.
 
I have to wonder why the thread would be remaining in the conspiracy forums any longer.

Because the supremacist group needs to perpetuate the illusion
that Americans are free and have a say in their future. I hope
that these supremacists will have to bust that illusion soon.
 
Because the supremacist group needs to perpetuate the illusion
that Americans are free and have a say in their future. I hope
that these supremacists will have to bust that illusion soon.

I wonder if the fact that the Sec. of the treasury made a statement earlier today about being open to a global monetary system is going to open their eyes, or their minds?

Have to admit that the more this becomes real the more concerning it is.
 
Interesting, and I have found that the reason I had become used to sourcing news outside the normal TV news sources etc was an unconscious attempt to find something that did not mimic the others, and also served up information that was not available etc.

It is amazing that while ABC, NBC, CNN, and all the other similar outlets pretty much deliver the same BS through different talking heads there is actually very different content available if you look for it, and I do not mean just on FOX either.

Well, yes... there are differences... but you can see this effect with at least 2 out of every 3 newscasts on any given 'news hour'. I see the media as real in the sense that people aren't 'lying' about the events, but the PRESENTATION is a deliberate means of guiding the viewer to the 'right' outlook based on that information.

Simply, telivision is a very sophisticated social control system. Down to the 'flicker rates' which were chosen based on the effect they have on the human brain, and Newscasts are designed to take FULL ADCANTAGE of this effect, down to the voice tone, and the hypnotic gaxe.

Your not the only one with this fear, and from discussion with many friends and family that are in law enforcement there seems to have been certain changes in training at the academy that could be seen as supporting that it may be just in case your scenario plays out.

I can only base my opinion on local experience and knowledge, but newer grads of the academy have a very different view of the public as well as different training on how to work with them as their older senior officers.

I will not go as far as saying they are officially trained to be prepared that everyone is potentially a domestic terrorist threat, but some do make that very statement.

It's in the Patriot Act... it litterally defines domestic terrorism as 'anyone that violates any federal or state law' (section 802.1)

Have to wonder if this combined with the increased misuse of law enforcement as a tool for raising income for government is not the cause for most conflicts between the police and the public.

I would say yes, but that is only scratching the surface or the related issues.

Lets hope if this sad day ever does come that the numbers will be large enough to offset any idea of martial law and imprisonment of our people as a whole.

They have whole camps prepared, fully staffed, empty camps.

Hope can be a good thing unless it is abused like it has been in the past.

In this case the 'hope' is more along the lines that I HOPE that 'we the people' are smart enough and attentive enough to catch on to what is going on, because we are at the crossroads. If martial law is declared and there is a full military take-over of the US... there won't be another chance to fight back.

Remember that those receiving the call are not only officers (local, state, or even natl guard) but also family members who would be deciding on not only their moral beliefs but also on carrying out orders against their own.

I share your thoughts on this potentially being a source of better judgment, but you still can not forget the training instilled into many younger officers etc.

Yes, there is ALOT going against free humanity at the moment. One thing being soldiers FOLLOW orders. That's part of why I feel that this 'new-breed' of officer is a deadly dangerous precedent.

Have to admit we have seen enough of friggin puppets, and that goes for both parties.


This is a very interesting point, and what some believe was part of the program with reducing the wage earning ability of the typical working class male that required the addition of a second wage earner typically the mother of the very children that have become accustomed to being raised by our school system.

Add to that, more independant women means more women will leave their husbands... now, government gets to collect taxes on 2 homes, 2 cars, 2 incomes, etc. Where previously most couples would work through the tough times.

Well low and behold at just who is raising our children, and preparing or conditioning them for the very situation you describe.

And now with the VERY recently passed GIVE act... schools will be little more than military controlled brainwashing facilities. Where these kids will be military trained through school untill they are drafted at 18 untill they are 24. THIS IS NOW LAW> IT PASSED SENATE AND HOUSE!!!!!!!

I am going to try and research your links and other information soon as I can.

I have also heard and even on national news that the investigations or whatever you want to call the attempts to silence libertarians and others with loyalty to our country before any party etc, and can not see why they would not be real.

Some have even alerted me that much of what is said on forums just like this one is actually monitored and that lists do exist of those with views or comments that raise certain flags.

I don't doubt for a second that there are all sorts of lists... usually coded green, yellow, red or similar to mean 'kill immediately', 'kill-eventually' and 'safe'. This is speculative... what is REAL and UNDENIABLE are the government 'no-fly lists' where people never convicted of anything can be put on the list for no reason.

Though I do not believe anything is inevitable I do agree with your point on comforts and I actually have a name for this, I call it the FAT and HAPPY SYNDROME as most people will not bother to get off their lazy asses unless they are no longer able to keep their basic loves like a POS chinese big screen, or an SUV they will hardly ever utilize.

Soon as we are forced to decide between housing, food, feeding the kids or filling up the truck and buying something new etc the whole house of cards may come tumbling down.

Sure I am over exaggerating etc but I am sure you get the point.

As for the inevitability... we are being pushed down this path by those in power, and unless something comes in to change it (I'm talking as drastic as divine intervention) that we will continue down this path to it's inevitable conclusion.

It's those self-important 'yuppies' that are going to be most tragically hurt by any type of collapse in the economy... they are soft, they have no experience in survival, they are not criminal, they had absent fathers raised by their mothers... and so on... they are so thorouglhly unprepared for what's coming that in a sense I can feel why they'd like to deny it... since it will mean their demise.

I know this is morbid, but the fact is that if and when things collapse, he unprepared will either become casualties or become servants, or shipped off to some war or some 'camp'...


First thanks for posting the links.

I hope everyone has taken the time to read this information, and allow it to sink into their minds.

As more and more credible people set off alarms, and more of these documents showing how those responsible for the many problems are concerned enough to support or fund the investigation of those offering solutions are made public it only supports the beliefs that we as a country are being sold out, and honestly it is rather concerning.

It was good to see that there are still good men willing to risk themselves in defense of our country, and as you may know this is what is needed to keep evil men from reaching their goals or agenda.

It would also appear obvious that if the NWO was nothing more than a conspiracy theory those people who are against it would not be being watched or investigated.

I have to wonder why the thread would be remaining in the conspiracy forums any longer.

It really should NOT be in conspiracy forums... yes, it was in the conspiracy 'theory' realm.... now the debate becomes 'HOW MUCH of the 'theorists' ideas ARE REAL??
 
Bman you make some great points (or counter points etc) and it seems everyday this all just progresses more towards becoming very, very real.

I was involved in a great discussion today about how millions of people are finding their only comfort is in their denial of what is happening, and that many more are entirely stressed out (some to the point of it affecting their health).

I even received a few calls today after some I have discussed this with heard of the comments from Bernenke about being open to discuss a single global currency.

It is all coming out slowly still, while still faster than ever as it appears those pushing for this are finding the combination of the current economic conditions, current members of the senate and house, and even the current administration as having all their pieces in place.
 
Bman you make some great points (or counter points etc) and it seems everyday this all just progresses more towards becoming very, very real.

Thanks... what you're saying is all true, but it's deeper than you're saying...

I was involved in a great discussion today about how millions of people are finding their only comfort is in their denial of what is happening, and that many more are entirely stressed out (some to the point of it affecting their health).

I even received a few calls today after some I have discussed this with heard of the comments from Bernenke about being open to discuss a single global currency.

Just one note... when dealing with Bernanke and the people that give his orders... if they announce something that means that it's already been in the works for a while, has already been started, or is now ready for the public.

In other words, I forget the source, might have been Time magazine... but there already IS a global 'super-currency' that is set to replace the US dollar as the world standard. It's just only circulated at the top between banks give that a year or so, and we'll be introduced to our 'global currency'.


It is all coming out slowly still, while still faster than ever as it appears those pushing for this are finding the combination of the current economic conditions, current members of the senate and house, and even the current administration as having all their pieces in place.

Yes, this is all TERRIBLY slow of a process, but there is a quickening going on. Both n the speed with which this is all being carried out, AND a quickening in the 'awakening' process of the general public. Cause I tell you, if the public understood that the root cause of so many of their problems can be traced down to a handful of individuals... they'd be strung up on the streets. Taking over a country like the US is NOT a simple process... hell, the CIA has overthrowing counties down to such a science that they could tae-over a third-woprld country over a weekend.

If I wasn't off to sleep right now, I'd make a post in the breaking news about the 'give act' passing both the house and the senate (the second vote was yesterday). The give act, is MANDATORY civilian service. A draft, conscription, or some combination... if you really break it down, it's a bill that enslaves the american population.
 
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