So the 'New World Order' is just conspiracy theory?

[BmanMcfly]

Here's just a few links...

Ahmadinejad calls for new world order - Press TV - Ahmadinejad calls for new world order

Time Magazine - New World Order - New World Order for the Economy - TIME

Finnish foreign minister calls for New World Order - Embassy of Finland, London: News & Current Affairs: News

Brown sees 'new world order' after crisis - AFP: Brown sees 'new world order' after crisis

Kissinger calls on Obama to create a New World Order - msnbc.com Video Player

Kissinger: Obama primed to create 'New World Order' - Kissinger: Obama primed to create 'New World Order'

Global elite to use new global media to educate 'global citizens - Emerging global elite to use new global media to educate 'global citizens'

Time for a new world order: PM - Time for a new world order: PM - National - smh.com.au

Gordon Brown calls for new world order - Gordon Brown calls for new world order to beat recession - Telegraph

Groups to call for new world order during G-20 summit - GMANews.TV - Groups to call for new world order during G-20 summit - Business - Official Website of GMA News and Public Affairs - Latest Philippine News - BETA

Asia cbanks call for new world financial order - Asian finmins agree deal on currency swaps - Yahoo! Philippines News

EU Calls For 'New World Governance' - YouTube - EU Calls For 'New World Governance'

Kissinger affirms call for 'new world order' - Kissinger affirms call for 'new world order'

Australian PM calls for New Economic Order - AFP: Australian PM calls for new economic order

Obama Urged to Shape New Economic Order - Obama Urged to Shape New Economic Order - FOXBusiness.com

Rich nations call for new world economic order - Rich nations call for new world economic order - Business - BrisbaneTimes

G7 finance chiefs call for new world economic order - G7 finance chiefs call for new world economic order

Presidents of Cuba, Angola call for new world economic order - Presidents of Cuba, Angola call for new world economic order, end to sanctions on Cuba - , - Latest news & weather forecasts - MSN News UK

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.

It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller

We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." Arthur Schlesinger

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind." George Herbert Walker Bush

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasnt such a great idea after all." Strobe Talbot, President Clintons Deputy Secretary of State

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England
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How come I still have to keep this discussion in the 'conspiracy' forum?

 

[lawshume]

Most humans want a world in which we all do what's best
for humanity. Therefore we are all globalists. The problem
is the supremacists that hide behind us - the men behind
the curtain.

 

[Arch Enemy]

New World Order is just a fancy persona for "Globalization". The people who are in power today, and who were in power a decade a go are still going to be the main components of this so-called New World Order. There is no point to make an official title or statement, any sort of legislation that is passed within any of these countries effects the entire world. There is no need for "new". You have the Jihadists against everyone else, seemingly, because Russia, China, and U.S. are trying to push their sphere's of influence and the Jihadists are rebelling. There is a link between the larger nations, when small, yet highly hostile, nations nibble the toes, sort to speak. This reminds me of Chivalric order, and how it would wait for a rival to pick up a dropped sword to continue a fight-- out of courtesy. However, when the Crusaders fought Saladin's forces, the Jihadists would not wait for the Crusader to pick up his sword, they would behead him while he was reaching for it.

 

[Bodi]

New World Order is just a fancy persona for "Globalization". The people who are in power today, and who were in power a decade a go are still going to be the main components of this so-called New World Order. There is no point to make an official title or statement, any sort of legislation that is passed within any of these countries effects the entire world. There is no need for "new". You have the Jihadists against everyone else, seemingly, because Russia, China, and U.S. are trying to push their sphere's of influence and the Jihadists are rebelling. There is a link between the larger nations, when small, yet highly hostile, nations nibble the toes, sort to speak. This reminds me of Chivalric order, and how it would wait for a rival to pick up a dropped sword to continue a fight-- out of courtesy. However, when the Crusaders fought Saladin's forces, the Jihadists would not wait for the Crusader to pick up his sword, they would behead him while he was reaching for it.

Some good observations in the AE... I also think that there is nothing "New" about the trend towards globilization. People think that a "World Order" is such an Orwellian concept and then we turn around and marvel at Star Trek and the unification of humanity. With the emergence of the EU, we see simply another step towards globilization. NATO, the Warsaw Pact, NAFTA, CAFTA, the EU, etc etc

Even on this forum a few days ago, some people wondered how good it might be if England became the 51st state in the USA. That would eventually find the EU and the USA merging. None of this is that scary... so I am not sure what all the big scary uh-oh hoopla is about.

 

[rathi]

This reminds me of Chivalric order, and how it would wait for a rival to pick up a dropped sword to continue a fight-- out of courtesy.

Utterly not true. More likely, they would slaughter you and your family over religious differences then sack your city. Chivalry was nothing but a pipe dream.

However, when the Crusaders fought Saladin's forces, the Jihadists would not wait for the Crusader to pick up his sword, they would behead him while he was reaching for it.

Nobody in war lets the enemy pick up their sword. Soliders today are far more civilized than soldiers of the past, and even they wouldn't do something that stupid.

 

[Bodi]

Utterly not true. More likely, they would slaughter you and your family over religious differences then sack your city. Chivalry was nothing but a pipe dream.



Nobody in war lets the enemy pick up their sword. Soliders today are far more civilized than soldiers of the past, and even they wouldn't do something that stupid.

I think that he meant Knights or Gentlemen in a dual or of Knights taken prisoner.
I think that the Muslim Noblemen would do the same though.
Average people and peasants were slaughtered though...

 

[LennyD]

Average people and peasants were slaughtered though...

That seems to be the one single constant through time.

No matter a battle of blood, or a battle of class survival as we see today with the billions of dollars being stolen from Americans in the various stimulus spending packages.

Problem with the NWO is that it intends to change things on a very grand scale, and most people with the least will have little to no say, and risk becoming slaves or obituaries.

Where to run from a tyrant if the tyrant runs the world??

 

[Bodi]

That seems to be the one single constant through time.

No matter a battle of blood, or a battle of class survival as we see today with the billions of dollars being stolen from Americans in the various stimulus spending packages.

Problem with the NWO is that it intends to change things on a very grand scale, and most people with the least will have little to no say, and risk becoming slaves or obituaries.

Where to run from a tyrant if the tyrant runs the world??

We don't run, we dictate terms to them in accorcdance with what the people want.
If they not abide, they are removed.

Most people with the least have and always will have little to no say. *shrugs*

Most people that get a say don't exercise that right... most people want to be lead.
I can't see a tyrant running the world any more than a tyrant running the US.
There are too many people with independent interests to allow that from happening...

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

Even on this forum a few days ago, some people wondered how good it might be if England became the 51st state in the USA. That would eventually find the EU and the USA merging. None of this is that scary... so I am not sure what all the big scary uh-oh hoopla is about.

Wow, are you serious? It means a total loss of American sovereignty and the dismantling of our Constitution. And that's not scary to you??? It means a centralization of power in a huuuge power structure that would dominate Europe and USA. It would be an absolute tragedy. Na, it's no big deal though, like Kanye says "Don't be so paranoid. Baby, don't even worry bout it, don't even think bout it". I hope the majority of American people don't share this ideology. :doh

 

[Bodi]

Wow, are you serious? It means a total loss of American sovereignty and the dismantling of our Constitution. And that's not scary to you??? It means a centralization of power in a huuuge power structure that would dominate Europe and USA. It would be an absolute tragedy. Na, it's no big deal though, like Kanye says "Don't be so paranoid. Baby, don't even worry bout it, don't even think bout it". I hope the majority of American people don't share this ideology. :doh

I don't know what is more of a tragedy...

That you would present such a stupid misinterpretation of what I said and have such a limited scope, or
That you just quoted a rapper and included song lyrics as your reasoning.

Don't worry, the day I want the opinion of an average intellect, I will call you.

 

[LennyD]

We don't run, we dictate terms to them in accorcdance with what the people want.
If they not abide, they are removed.

Most people with the least have and always will have little to no say. *shrugs*

Most people that get a say don't exercise that right... most people want to be lead.
I can't see a tyrant running the world any more than a tyrant running the US.
There are too many people with independent interests to allow that from happening...

You were running smooth until the end, and then it all fell apart

Could it be that we think of a tyrant as a singular person, and therefore do not allow our minds to consider a group working together to gain a similar control of the populace?

Just look at something as simple as the current bail out billions being spent that the overwhelming majority of Americans are against, but is happening in spite of it.

So would that mean (along with many other facts not yet discussed in this thread) that we are currently under similar control as that of a tyrant?

Could the combination of large corporations, the wealthiest Americans, and many political leaders with the highest levels of power already be our collective tyrant, and also those who have been conditioning the entire country for the NWO?

I have been taught to track or look at the flow of money, and who is or has the most to gain, and when you do this there is overwhelming evidence supporting that we have been posturing for a major change for some time now.

Though many Americans are consumed with which political party a candidate belongs to believing that one party or the other may better support their beliefs or personal gain etc it seems to cause way too many to be unable to make the link or connection that during times of control of either party the wealth and income of the typical working family has decreased considerably.

We can discuss every area and cause of this devaluing from reduced domestic manufacturing to changes in law that favor certain players etc but I feel it is not needed as it is pretty obvious that while major corporations and government have grown at insane rates the typical American family can not support the quality of life of their parents or grandparents with both parents working as the norm.

I also guess it would be obvious that way too many not only are without major savings or investments (outside of retirement plans etc) and even more are just the opposite and deeply in debt.

Even if you chose not to consider that you can not debate the fact that we have been seeing the wealth of the middle class shifted overseas from the many imports that actually have increased the wealth of many corporations that were involved in the planning of the whole process.

It would seem we are learning to accept things that our countries founders would have fought to the death to keep from happening, and we as the citizens of America will be expected to continue to lower ourselves to match the third world nations we are sending our wealth to while the largest and wealthiest people of the world position themselves to gain beyond belief from the expected future changes of the world.

I have to admit a lot of this sounds almost "sci-fi" or conspiracy theory
ready, but when you really look at all the things that are happening today and over the last 30 years or so it seems pretty obvious that there is some real substance to it all.

I guess it would be sort of ironic if while most American voters were debating over who to vote for etc and what they were in favor of both party leaders were working on changes we could not contribute to the normal liberal or conservative actions so many were debating and were actually working together to prepare for a NWO.

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

I don't know what is more of a tragedy...

That you would present such a stupid misinterpretation of what I said and have such a limited scope, or
That you just quoted a rapper and included song lyrics as your reasoning.

Don't worry, the day I want the opinion of an average intellect, I will call you.

If you don't understand the massive negative implications of globalism or a world government, than maybe I'm not the one of "average intellect". Hey, if I ever need anyone to come at me with a nonsense argument and be so mature as to personally attack me (with a s***** joke that isn't even funny or ironic in the least bit), I'll call you.

 

[$Money$]

Some good observations in the AE... I also think that there is nothing "New" about the trend towards globilization. People think that a "World Order" is such an Orwellian concept and then we turn around and marvel at Star Trek and the unification of humanity. With the emergence of the EU, we see simply another step towards globilization. NATO, the Warsaw Pact, NAFTA, CAFTA, the EU, etc etc

Even on this forum a few days ago, some people wondered how good it might be if England became the 51st state in the USA. That would eventually find the EU and the USA merging. None of this is that scary... so I am not sure what all the big scary uh-oh hoopla is about.

People just don't like to be controlled. Especially by dictators. So we have to assume that if the banks are all in bed with the politicians, our votes will no longer mean anything, and all the world power and money will be controlled by a few rather than the masses. So if the world gets a dictator as a leader, who do they have to answer to? We lose our checks and balances, and while thats kind of the extreme circumstance, thats the fear

 

[BmanMcfly]

Most humans want a world in which we all do what's best
for humanity. Therefore we are all globalists. The problem
is the supremacists that hide behind us - the men behind
the curtain.

Agreed, if globalism was a globalism for all, rather than at the benefit of few at the expense of many. However, the 'new world order' has NOTHING to do with 'World peace', At least not as it's being pushed through.

New World Order is just a fancy persona for "Globalization".

Well... yes... I suppose 'new world order' would be the end result of globalization.

The people who are in power today, and who were in power a decade a go are still going to be the main components of this so-called New World Order.

Yes... that the people in power don't tend to give it up very easily... that's probably not going to change. It really is to the point that the people in power do their best to keep that power over the generations. What the 'new-world-order' is going to take this various power pieces and establish that will super-cede any nation. Call it a monopolization of power and control over humanity as a whole.

There is no point to make an official title or statement, any sort of legislation that is passed within any of these countries effects the entire world. There is no need for "new". You have the Jihadists against everyone else, seemingly, because Russia, China, and U.S. are trying to push their sphere's of influence and the Jihadists are rebelling.

I would say that in the 'globalization' scheme of things, that's why we are so set on conquering the middle east... it's the last real vestige against this 'new world order'. The term is more to say that the 'old wolrd' was chaos... and well one of the 'slogans' attributed to the new world order is 'ordo ab chaos' (order out of chaos).

Some good observations in the AE... I also think that there is nothing "New" about the trend towards globilization.

True... what IS new in this is the first time that there was the rule of 'law' of the dictator rather than 'the law of the jungle of eras past' (as GHWB would say).

People think that a "World Order" is such an Orwellian concept and then we turn around and marvel at Star Trek and the unification of humanity. With the emergence of the EU, we see simply another step towards globilization. NATO, the Warsaw Pact, NAFTA, CAFTA, the EU, etc etc

Well, a Star Trek type unification of mankind would ultimately be a good thing... There is a way to have a world government that wouldn't be at the dictates of one small group. I mean, you could have something to the effect like the UN where the 'world government' is the cumulation of all the powers that make up that government rather than a 'top-down' world government.

Even on this forum a few days ago, some people wondered how good it might be if England became the 51st state in the USA. That would eventually find the EU and the USA merging. None of this is that scary... so I am not sure what all the big scary uh-oh hoopla is about.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was America created as a means to SEPERATE from London??? And now they're saying 'oh let's join back with them'??

We don't run, we dictate terms to them in accorcdance with what the people want.
If they not abide, they are removed.

And if the 'world leader' won't hear your case, or worse... is the one abusing you, what recourse do you have?? You end up with the orwellian 'perpetual boot stomping on the face of mankind.'

Most people with the least have and always will have little to no say. *shrugs*

Most people that get a say don't exercise that right... most people want to be lead.

And so if the leader views himself as a shephard and to better 'care for his flock' feels the need to reduce the numbers to a more manageable level?

I understand that most people ultimately prefer to be lead, maybe that's the fate humanity is bound to.... to be led to the slaughter so that the elites can have their 'star fleet' while the 'people' are stuck as litteral slaves keeping the system running.

I can't see a tyrant running the world any more than a tyrant running the US.

For all intents and purposes, Bush was a tyrant... maybe a 'soft' tyrant... but a tyrant nonetheless.

There are too many people with independent interests to allow that from happening...

That's why the monopolization of power has been so gradual... throw in martial law, or make so many laws that the people are crippled and at risk of arrest on a whim, there are so many different possibilities for the 'finalization' of people succumbing to this world government... releasing a pandemic, a nuclear explosion, a financial meltdown, who knows... if you make the situation terrible enough the world will BEG to have a dictator.

 

[Bodi]

If you don't understand the massive negative implications of globalism or a world government, than maybe I'm not the one of "average intellect". Hey, if I ever need anyone to come at me with a nonsense argument and be so mature as to personally attack me (with a s***** joke that isn't even funny or ironic in the least bit), I'll call you.

Then why don't you put your money were you mouth is buddy... :lol:

Show us all the massive negative implictions (whatever the **** that means since it is such a completely idiotic oversimplification that lacks any depth or perspective) of globalism or a world government. Be sure to indicate how that would, in comparison, be so unbelievably different from, say... the USA government governing such diversity and distance and how, by scale... it absolutely can NOT be achieved and operated in a positive manner. Go ahead smart guy... dazzle us.

BTW.. there was no irony in my post to you... but it certainly was dry and funny. I mean ... who the hell takes any person that uses rap lyrics and a rapper as part of their position seriously? :rofl

Lastly... it is truly pathetic to do the whole "I'm rubber and you're glue" routine unless you are nine years-old.

Now, you have your assignment. Run along and do your best. :2wave:

 

[Bodi]

People just don't like to be controlled. Especially by dictators. So we have to assume that if the banks are all in bed with the politicians, our votes will no longer mean anything, and all the world power and money will be controlled by a few rather than the masses. So if the world gets a dictator as a leader, who do they have to answer to? We lose our checks and balances, and while thats kind of the extreme circumstance, thats the fear

I agree... people don't like to be controlled, but they already are, everywhere.

Why can't a world government be based off of an existing system? Like say, the US Constitution. A system that embraces all of the virtues or representative government, allows for checks and balance, etc.

Why would there be a greater chance at a world tyrant/dictator than we have now in the USA?

The banks are not in bed with the politicians, but corporate America certainly is, and I doubt that this would change much with globalization. What might change though is the tendency of corporations like Nike of going to foreign countries under military rule like Indonesia, setting up child slave labor essentially and making millions and millions off of it. It would force better balance amongst all of the world because all of the world would be held to the same high standards.

 

[Tubub]

You were running smooth until the end, and then it all fell apart

Could it be that we think of a tyrant as a singular person, and therefore do not allow our minds to consider a group working together to gain a similar control of the populace?

Just look at something as simple as the current bail out billions being spent that the overwhelming majority of Americans are against, but is happening in spite of it.

So would that mean (along with many other facts not yet discussed in this thread) that we are currently under similar control as that of a tyrant?

Could the combination of large corporations, the wealthiest Americans, and many political leaders with the highest levels of power already be our collective tyrant, and also those who have been conditioning the entire country for the NWO?

I have been taught to track or look at the flow of money, and who is or has the most to gain, and when you do this there is overwhelming evidence supporting that we have been posturing for a major change for some time now.

Though many Americans are consumed with which political party a candidate belongs to believing that one party or the other may better support their beliefs or personal gain etc it seems to cause way too many to be unable to make the link or connection that during times of control of either party the wealth and income of the typical working family has decreased considerably.

We can discuss every area and cause of this devaluing from reduced domestic manufacturing to changes in law that favor certain players etc but I feel it is not needed as it is pretty obvious that while major corporations and government have grown at insane rates the typical American family can not support the quality of life of their parents or grandparents with both parents working as the norm.

I also guess it would be obvious that way too many not only are without major savings or investments (outside of retirement plans etc) and even more are just the opposite and deeply in debt.

Even if you chose not to consider that you can not debate the fact that we have been seeing the wealth of the middle class shifted overseas from the many imports that actually have increased the wealth of many corporations that were involved in the planning of the whole process.

It would seem we are learning to accept things that our countries founders would have fought to the death to keep from happening, and we as the citizens of America will be expected to continue to lower ourselves to match the third world nations we are sending our wealth to while the largest and wealthiest people of the world position themselves to gain beyond belief from the expected future changes of the world.

I have to admit a lot of this sounds almost "sci-fi" or conspiracy theory
ready, but when you really look at all the things that are happening today and over the last 30 years or so it seems pretty obvious that there is some real substance to it all.

I guess it would be sort of ironic if while most American voters were debating over who to vote for etc and what they were in favor of both party leaders were working on changes we could not contribute to the normal liberal or conservative actions so many were debating and were actually working together to prepare for a NWO.

To begin with, the American people do not have the insight or ability to make informed decisions concerning government policy or economic security. That is why we live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Now, That is not to justify anyone being exploited or someone without a voice, but if a president was to base his polices off the fluctuations in American polls, then we'd see a new policy every other week.

As a World Superpower and a giant in every meaning of the word(economy, population, military ect.) then it is necessary to have a stronger Executive branch. Like Communism, a total Republic is very successful when applied to micro situations but when applied to something gigantic like the modern United States, it is faulty and unsuccessful. A Judicial and Legislative branch are still needed to ensure the Executive branch does not attain TOO much power, but the days of a weak White House and a strong Congress are over... This can be proved by the disastrous Jimmy Carter Presidency, when he limited his own power and passed it to Congress, only to give birth to Islamic extremism as a viable force and to allow Communism to expand it's influence around the world(not to mention other blunders in the economy, energy, and elsewhere). The latter foreign policy blunder was defeated during the Raegan Presidency with the renewal of a strong executive branch.

I agree that the seperation of upper class and the lower classes is becoming greater, and that the gap that is forming between the upper and middle class is frightening. But the fact is that the average American working family has consumed more for 20 years than it is worth, living lavishly by purchasing more products and living in a bigger house than it is capable of. This needs to be stopped.

Well I have to go, but I'll quickly respond to the part where you state that America's founders would be disgusted with it's current state... in some aspects they would, but keep in mind they'd crap in their pants when they saw a car or a jet


"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
John Adams, Letter, April 15, 1814

"In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power."
Marcus Tullius Cicero

"The first requisite of a good citizen in this republic of ours is that he shall be able and willing to pull his own weight."
Theodore Roosevelt

"One man with courage is a majority."
Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage makes a majority."
Andrew Jackson

--Now I really have to go...

 

[Bodi]

You were running smooth until the end, and then it all fell apart

Could it be that we think of a tyrant as a singular person, and therefore do not allow our minds to consider a group working together to gain a similar control of the populace?

Just look at something as simple as the current bail out billions being spent that the overwhelming majority of Americans are against, but is happening in spite of it.

So would that mean (along with many other facts not yet discussed in this thread) that we are currently under similar control as that of a tyrant?

Could the combination of large corporations, the wealthiest Americans, and many political leaders with the highest levels of power already be our collective tyrant, and also those who have been conditioning the entire country for the NWO?

I have been taught to track or look at the flow of money, and who is or has the most to gain, and when you do this there is overwhelming evidence supporting that we have been posturing for a major change for some time now.

Though many Americans are consumed with which political party a candidate belongs to believing that one party or the other may better support their beliefs or personal gain etc it seems to cause way too many to be unable to make the link or connection that during times of control of either party the wealth and income of the typical working family has decreased considerably.

We can discuss every area and cause of this devaluing from reduced domestic manufacturing to changes in law that favor certain players etc but I feel it is not needed as it is pretty obvious that while major corporations and government have grown at insane rates the typical American family can not support the quality of life of their parents or grandparents with both parents working as the norm.

I also guess it would be obvious that way too many not only are without major savings or investments (outside of retirement plans etc) and even more are just the opposite and deeply in debt.

Even if you chose not to consider that you can not debate the fact that we have been seeing the wealth of the middle class shifted overseas from the many imports that actually have increased the wealth of many corporations that were involved in the planning of the whole process.

It would seem we are learning to accept things that our countries founders would have fought to the death to keep from happening, and we as the citizens of America will be expected to continue to lower ourselves to match the third world nations we are sending our wealth to while the largest and wealthiest people of the world position themselves to gain beyond belief from the expected future changes of the world.

I have to admit a lot of this sounds almost "sci-fi" or conspiracy theory
ready, but when you really look at all the things that are happening today and over the last 30 years or so it seems pretty obvious that there is some real substance to it all.

I guess it would be sort of ironic if while most American voters were debating over who to vote for etc and what they were in favor of both party leaders were working on changes we could not contribute to the normal liberal or conservative actions so many were debating and were actually working together to prepare for a NWO.

I broke this up because I was going to respond to various points, but I ended up realizing that I agree with just about all of it. I agree that a tyrannical government could, and probably is, a group rather than a person. Even Stalin and Hitler had the group behind them...

That being said, I don't see how you disproved my last statement, or how it is in error. There are too many groups trying to gain in power, and they ususally help each other (ie Lobbying). Ultimately though, as long as we stay a Capitalist society, people have a choice regarding where they spend there money, so the power is really with the people, as long as they stay smart. In the end though, most people want to be lead, and don't stay smart. We see the emergence of corporate giants and the hand in hand waltzing of corporations and government officials.

I think that what you said simply clarified what I was saying, or perhaps intended to say better... thank you. :2razz:

 

[BmanMcfly]

I agree... people don't like to be controlled, but they already are, everywhere.

"Noone is more hoplessly enslaved then the man that believes himself to be free."- Can't remember

All humans have the power to create their own freedom in life, but like was said earlier... Most just don't have the will to act as truly sovereign individuals.

Why can't a world government be based off of an existing system? Like say, the US Constitution. A system that embraces all of the virtues or representative government, allows for checks and balance, etc.

That would be an ideal, the reality of the matter is that the government will essentially be the very same bankers that created the financial troubles for us to begin with... Rothschild personally has a very interesting family history... If he's not in the inner-most ring of power in this scheme he's not far from the top (+/- 13 familes)... another VERY important group in this is the Bilderberg Group. The group that decided on Obama over Hillary in a pre-election conference, that was where Obama was the day that his media entourage was lured on a plane to chicago when Obama was secretly headed to Virginia.

These people are not interestedin anything short of total control of the human population.

Why would there be a greater chance at a world tyrant/dictator than we have now in the USA?

It's not so much 'MORE' or less of a chance... just consider for a second that many of the same groups that put Hitler into power were many of the same groups that set policy in the US... where Hitler tried to take the world by force, this 'second attempt' at world dominanation was setup through incremental means, the idea being that by the time enough people figured out what was going on that it would be too late to stop it.

So, it's not so much that it's a 'risk' of being run by a tyrant, but rather it was setup with tyrannical intentions to bring about this 'new order'

The banks are not in bed with the politicians, but corporate America certainly is, and I doubt that this would change much with globalization. What might change though is the tendency of corporations like Nike of going to foreign countries under military rule like Indonesia, setting up child slave labor essentially and making millions and millions off of it. It would force better balance amongst all of the world because all of the world would be held to the same high standards.

To a degree... fact is, there are many benefits to globalization and a world government IF it's setup with the right intention. If it's a power like that if the president where the nation states all have a voice in global matters. You might have different areas of the planet better suited to certain production while everything is bought and sold on a global market.

To begin with, the American people do not have the insight or ability to make informed decisions concerning government policy or economic security.

Which is true, and why there is never really a true 'despotism' because the despot will ALWAYS require the help of his close allies, so in actuality they are oligarchies. It's the same way in the US, the president has a whole team of advisors on different issues (well.... Obama has a bunch of lobbyists, but you get my meaning).

That is why we live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Now, That is not to justify anyone being exploited or someone without a voice, but if a president was to base his polices off the fluctuations in American polls, then we'd see a new policy every other week.

Right, since we live in a society governed by the rule of law, and the system becomes corrupt then we must enforce the rule of law to end all the corruption. As far as that goes... welll, free humanity is losing that battle. BTW, if you are : a libertarian, a ron paul, bob barr, ralph nader supporter, gun or gold owner, sport political bumber stickers, racial bumper stickers, talk about the second ammendment or the constitution, grow a garden, have libertarian, green, or other independant political affiliations... guess what?? You are a TERRORIST. I know that's not the real case, but that's what cops are being trained for... now that the New World Order is going public, it's a terrorist act to speak out against it. Mull that over for a minute to see how benevolent this order really is.

I agree that the seperation of upper class and the lower classes is becoming greater, and that the gap that is forming between the upper and middle class is frightening. But the fact is that the average American working family has consumed more for 20 years than it is worth, living lavishly by purchasing more products and living in a bigger house than it is capable of. This needs to be stopped.

We were enticed. All of us are guilty of this over-indulgence.... and in honesty this economic turmoil was just waiting to happen. What we should have done was sucked it up, bit the bullet and fixed our economy one day at a time rather than the 'keynesian' approach that's a proven failure. The technology really is a double-edged sword, for the most part it's made our environment more toxic (1 in 33 cancer rates 10 or 20 years ago to 1 in 3 today), added to our stress from having to be continually more and more productive for less and less benefits, Living beyond our means needs to stop, and doing that RIGHT AWAY in one fell swoop cut all the credit cards and start PRODUCING VALUE again we could have worked our way out of the whole... now the more money gets pumped into the broken system it's like pumping adrenaline into a patient with a massive heart attack.

Ultimately that's another sign that the current state of the economy, is a matter of INTENT and NOT a matter of 'supply and demand'... the 'supply and demand' effect is on the stock price of the company rather than the product being sold. The actual commodotiy is the company rather than the goods... does this even make sense??

 

[LennyD]

Call it a monopolization of power and control over humanity as a whole.

Definitely quotable!!

 

[LennyD]

People just don't like to be controlled. Especially by dictators. So we have to assume that if the banks are all in bed with the politicians, our votes will no longer mean anything, and all the world power and money will be controlled by a few rather than the masses. So if the world gets a dictator as a leader, who do they have to answer to? We lose our checks and balances, and while thats kind of the extreme circumstance, thats the fear

I can agree it is a fear (losing the checks and balances/being controlled by dictators etc) but am not sure I am on board with this being the extreme of a NWO since it is something that has been happening right here in the USA for some time now.

This is where those (myself included) who are able to feel or see the changes domestically become very concerned because if the American love and history of freedoms which are protected by many checks and balances and various documents etc can be weaned from these freedoms and the checks and balances slowly removed due to manipulation of the very system protecting these rights slowly over time leading to a whole new interpretation of what the rights are then it would seem to be a much simpler process for people of other nations which never enjoyed the freedoms and rights in the first place.

I hope that the American public in general is not "fat and happy" enough that wait until it is too late to fight for their rights and restore the original intents, values, and meaning of our constitution and bill of rights as well because it appears that the US is a test bed for just how far and how people can be conditioned and pushed towards accepting what is desired by the NWO.

It is obvious even locally that people will learn to adapt to various changes and not revolt as long as they can continue to find ways to fund or finance maintaining their basic desires for food, shelter, and their beloved SUV or two in the drive.

If you paid attention there was more resistance to high fuel prices threatening to make it impossible to continue driving large vehicles than there is from increased taxes, and new laws restricting or removing our rights.

What a mess.

 

[LennyD]

I broke this up because I was going to respond to various points, but I ended up realizing that I agree with just about all of it. I agree that a tyrannical government could, and probably is, a group rather than a person. Even Stalin and Hitler had the group behind them...

That being said, I don't see how you disproved my last statement, or how it is in error. There are too many groups trying to gain in power, and they ususally help each other (ie Lobbying). Ultimately though, as long as we stay a Capitalist society, people have a choice regarding where they spend there money, so the power is really with the people, as long as they stay smart. In the end though, most people want to be lead, and don't stay smart. We see the emergence of corporate giants and the hand in hand waltzing of corporations and government officials.

I think that what you said simply clarified what I was saying, or perhaps intended to say better... thank you. :2razz:

I believe we were agreeing more than not, and it was only the one statement I wanted to comment on, and thanks for the thanks!!!

 

[LennyD]

To begin with, the American people do not have the insight or ability to make informed decisions concerning government policy or economic security. That is why we live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Now, That is not to justify anyone being exploited or someone without a voice, but if a president was to base his polices off the fluctuations in American polls, then we'd see a new policy every other week.

As a World Superpower and a giant in every meaning of the word(economy, population, military ect.) then it is necessary to have a stronger Executive branch. Like Communism, a total Republic is very successful when applied to micro situations but when applied to something gigantic like the modern United States, it is faulty and unsuccessful. A Judicial and Legislative branch are still needed to ensure the Executive branch does not attain TOO much power, but the days of a weak White House and a strong Congress are over... This can be proved by the disastrous Jimmy Carter Presidency, when he limited his own power and passed it to Congress, only to give birth to Islamic extremism as a viable force and to allow Communism to expand it's influence around the world(not to mention other blunders in the economy, energy, and elsewhere). The latter foreign policy blunder was defeated during the Raegan Presidency with the renewal of a strong executive branch.

I agree that the seperation of upper class and the lower classes is becoming greater, and that the gap that is forming between the upper and middle class is frightening. But the fact is that the average American working family has consumed more for 20 years than it is worth, living lavishly by purchasing more products and living in a bigger house than it is capable of. This needs to be stopped.

Well I have to go, but I'll quickly respond to the part where you state that America's founders would be disgusted with it's current state... in some aspects they would, but keep in mind they'd crap in their pants when they saw a car or a jet


"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
John Adams, Letter, April 15, 1814

"In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power."
Marcus Tullius Cicero

"The first requisite of a good citizen in this republic of ours is that he shall be able and willing to pull his own weight."
Theodore Roosevelt

"One man with courage is a majority."
Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage makes a majority."
Andrew Jackson

--Now I really have to go...

Should have continued a little longer

To begin with, the American people do not have the insight or ability to make informed decisions concerning government policy or economic security. That is why we live in a Republic, not a Democracy.

I found this comment very interesting. Partly because to a degree it is very true, but also because those leaders who are so arrogant to believe the little peoples only purpose is to support their way of life and spending etc and are too stupid to know about government, policy or economics are some of the people who are the largest part of the many problems we are seeing today.

They also seem to miss the fact that there are thousands if not millions who are able to fully understand those issues, and though far fewer there are obviously some (like some on these boards) who can do this even through all the smoke screens and lies fed to us to hide what is really happening.

With all the information coming from the media and even the net lately on all the connections between our legislators and those benefiting from the bail outs it would seem the American public as a group is not hardly as stupid as our politicians would have hoped.

Sadly it seems that our country had to be facing it worst times ever and potential collapse of its economy and even government before those not fully supporting the master plans for NWO dominance etc to come forward with the various related pieces of information. Sure no one is directly implicating the NWO (most likely in fear of being labeled conspiracy theorists, or even retaliation) but it is not too difficult to support the connections.

 

[BmanMcfly]

I found this comment very interesting. Partly because to a degree it is very true, but also because those leaders who are so arrogant to believe the little peoples only purpose is to support their way of life and spending etc and are too stupid to know about government, policy or economics are some of the people who are the largest part of the many problems we are seeing today.

I would go a little further to say that the 'elites' think of the 'litle people' as nothing more than disposable slaves.

They also seem to miss the fact that there are thousands if not millions who are able to fully understand those issues, and though far fewer there are obviously some (like some on these boards) who can do this even through all the smoke screens and lies fed to us to hide what is really happening.

With all the information coming from the media and even the net lately on all the connections between our legislators and those benefiting from the bail outs it would seem the American public as a group is not hardly as stupid as our politicians would have hoped.

I was thinking the same as well, but then I saw how some of the AIG people are getting punished for squandering 190 million or some figure like that... which is outrageous... but the ACTUAL money stolen (split between AIG and others) is more in the area of 8000 - 9000 BILLION dollars. It's like if I stole someone's penny jar, and then get busted over 50cents... there was 10 bucks in the jar, but you're getting in trouble for that 50 cents... Oh no...

Too bad it will serve enough of a public distraction that will calm the people down.

Sadly it seems that our country had to be facing it worst times ever and potential collapse of its economy and even government before those not fully supporting the master plans for NWO dominance etc to come forward with the various related pieces of information. Sure no one is directly implicating the NWO (most likely in fear of being labeled conspiracy theorists, or even retaliation) but it is not too difficult to support the connections.

ALthough I agree with your sentiment, alot of the information that's come out about 'government plans' were 'dug out' and discussed, ad nauseum... but when these people with REAL information talk, it's easy to brush off the alarmism... but then certain parts of what they say come to light... oil price hitting 150, popping the mortgage bubble, and whatever else.

Part of the whole 'conspiracty theorist' label is accurate BECAUSE there are alot of scizo and other mentally ill people that are drawn to this, when there are many legitimate researchers that uncover the same information.

Take example of national enquirer... now, there are 2 types of articles BS ones 'about bat-kid is elvies impersonator' but then on the next page you'll see : Spider-goat hybrid spins body armour' (THIS ACTUALLY IS TRUE. It exists. The goat was genetically modified to produce the 'spider silk' protein which is secreted in the goat milk and can then be spun into body armour. I SHYT YOU NOT!!!). BUT because this REAL article is bunched in with articles with boatloads of BS the average person can (justifiably?) brush off the entire thing as just stupid entertainment.

That said, there is an awakening going on... I've seen it accellerating over the past 10 years. I mean, at first it was 'anti-globalization / anti 'Free'-trade... that drew sometimes 10's of thousands of people, but most that people heard about this was about the way police beat down protesters and all. Now, more and more, the general public is starting to catch on that they are living in a fixed system, that they are getting screwed, but don't quite know where or how this is going on....

 

[LennyD]

Hey Mcfly,

Well said!!!

I was just explaining to someone yesterday that the big change we are seeing currently is that there is now a better understanding of what is and has been happening in the mainstream.

There are people who are believed to be believable, and that are respected etc ringing the warning bell now.

To me this is a really big thing, and unlike the easily discarded and many times unbelievable unknown individual (who is simply labeled a nut etc) these are people with name recognition and some clout.

You have to wonder what this combination of hitting the mainstream, and being accepted and discussed by people who's opinions and statements are accepted is going to cause to happen. Will it actually be enough to get the average American off their azz's and and find the time to get involved in saving their own azz?

Time will tell