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Skills to Run a Large, Ongoing Business

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There is a recent book, The Making of Donald Trump.by David Cay Johnston , which predicts that Trump will himself with yes men, and will be a failure as an administrator of a large government.

The skills to recognize a need for a building, and betting the financing to build the building are different skills from running an ongoing organization.

Trump is a real estate developer, but has had a number of failures in trying to run a continuing organization.

Trump has filed bankruptcy, when trying to run a casino for several years.



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To minimize US Income taxes, business men try to maximize their claims for business losses.

Trump may be refusing to reveal his taxes, because he has claimed large amounts of business losses.

Franchising the Trump name, takes little administrative skill, in running an ongoing business.

Trump made a successful TV show out of "You are Fired" but never produced ongoing balance sheets of a large corporate structure, working through well-motivated managers. Trump develops Yes Men, not efficiency seeking managers.



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To minimize US Income taxes, business men try to maximize their claims for business losses.

Trump may be refusing to reveal his taxes, because he has claimed large amounts of business losses.

Franchising the Trump name, takes little administrative skill, in running an ongoing business.

Trump made a successful TV show out of "You are Fired" but never produced ongoing balance sheets of a large corporate structure, working through well-motivated managers. Trump develops Yes Men, not efficiency seeking managers.



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Was experience a srong factor for you in 2008. When you decided to vote for Obama?
 
Where is Hillary's experience at running anything? Besides multiple scams.
 
Was experience a srong factor for you in 2008. When you decided to vote for Obama?

No but it was for the right who claimed that Obama didn't have any even though he was a senator. What's Trump's experience with politics, ZERO!

Inexperience isn't the problem with Trump. The problem is his ego, his complete ignorance of policies such as saying he knows more than the generals on the ground, the fact he surrounds himself with "yes" men, and his temper.
 
Where is Hillary's experience at running anything? Besides multiple scams.

She has far more political experience and knowledge of foreign policies and events than Trump does.
 
Her business experience? NONE

Hillary ran the US State Department for 4 years, managing career diplomats, and for 8 years had a hand in running the US government.

Trump is claiming that his business experience makes him qualified to run the US Government. Managing career government employees is the job at hand.

How much did Trump lose trying to run large casinos? What gains in efficiency have been implemented by his managers, during his stewardship?




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No but it was for the right who claimed that Obama didn't have any even though he was a senator. What's Trump's experience with politics, ZERO!

Inexperience isn't the problem with Trump. The problem is his ego, his complete ignorance of policies such as saying he knows more than the generals on the ground, the fact he surrounds himself with "yes" men, and his temper.

He was a senator for one year not really experience. True Trump sounds like a knucklehead at times, but to say he doesn't know the big issues. Economy, immigration, terrorism is silly. He might not know the details like Obama/ Hillary but if you are a CEO you know the problems and get experts to get into the nitty gritty.
 
Her business experience? NONE

The presidency isn't a business. It's political and diplomacy which Trump has neither. Trump is an ego maniac plain and simple.
 
He was a senator for one year not really experience. True Trump sounds like a knucklehead at times, but to say he doesn't know the big issues. Economy, immigration, terrorism is silly. He might not know the details like Obama/ Hillary but if you are a CEO you know the problems and get experts to get into the nitty gritty.

He said he knew more than the generals about ISIS, so yeah about terrorism he is an idiot. As for economy, running a business and running the country are two separate issues. And his immigration ideas he will be unable to implement due to the fact he has not only pissed off Republicans but Dems as well.

But hey, if you want some ego maniac that can't admit his mistakes, ignorant on foreign policies, butt budies with Putin and throws temper tantrums on Twitter I guess Trump is your idiot.
 
Her business experience? NONE

She is not applying to be a CEO of a company.

As the original article points out, the skills of being a corporate CEO do not fully translate to Washington. So, according to the OP, Hillary's business experience is irrelevant and thus not germane to this discussion.

Was experience a srong factor for you in 2008. When you decided to vote for Obama?

Why yes. Obama ran in 2008 with 12 years experience as an elected official, four of which in the US Senate. He was a constitutional lawyer and, a community organizer (which is training people to use their political power -- grassroots politics). He had a ton more training and experience than Trump.

Granted, Obama had less experience than many that ran for the office of President. Many people on this site were quite bothered by that. Many of those people today are trying to sell us Trump, so its clear they are bunch of situational hypocrites.....

In contrast, I doubt anyone has run for President (for the first time) with as much direct and indirect experience for the job as Clinton.
 
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He was a senator for one year not really experience. True Trump sounds like a knucklehead at times, but to say he doesn't know the big issues. Economy, immigration, terrorism is silly. He might not know the details like Obama/ Hillary but if you are a CEO you know the problems and get experts to get into the nitty gritty.
I'm sorry, but I don't think you're being entirely accurate.

He sounds like a knucklehead 99% of the time. He couldn't answer a question on foreign policy as well as the average beauty contestant could. I mean, if Ms. Idaho went up on stage and tossed together a word salad for her answer, the same way Trump does when answering questions, it would be a viral video for a month, with people laughing histrionically. That same agonizing tightrope walk of a response that you see on the viral video's is no different than hearing Trump speak on policy. It is absolutely astonishing that he's even a candidate for the presidency. He can only be described as a child in a man's body. A malignantly selfish, ignorant and petty person. He's a tyrant in the making, in so far as our system could accommodate a tyrant. He has no respect for free press, no respect for opposing voices, even to the point that he'd rather attack a gold star family and the quintessential American war hero in John McCain. He's spoken gleefully of opening up libel laws so that he can sue (and I'm sure constantly threaten to sue) any media that dares to go against him. Just as he's done through his entire life. The man shows every sign of being motivated by pure selfishness and narcissism. And why should he be so narcissistic? He is best described as completely rudderless intellectually. And if you listen to the guy, he seems to be bull****ting on a scale that borders on confabulation. It seems as though there's something wrong with his mind.

For comparison, listen to Clinton speak. You hear someone that is well informed, who's trying to be coherent, but is also fairly paranoid about saying something unpopular and making a political mistake. She's being cautious to a fault, until very recently with the stupid "deplorable" remark. But I can live with that. Because we know she can find Pakistan on a map, which Trump could possibly manage to do so, but she also knows a lot about what's going on there and the history of US-Pakistan relations.

When you hear Trump speaking off the cuff, you hear someone that's being prompted by his own misstatements to complete a thought that he clearly didn't intend to. Which is to say that the thing he's now saying doesn't reflect anything he believed or thought about before, but he's saying it now because the last phrase he spoke just launched him there. It's like he's speaking in verse and he's forced again and again to complete the rhyme. Rather than say something competent, intelligent, he has to say something that "rhymes" with that new world view that he just created. Take Putin for example. First Trump will mention that Putin called Trump "bright". Well at that point people start to question why anyone would Putin to like an American president, so rather than admit "yea it's odd" Trump will instead go to the mat defending Putin as a strong leader etc. etc. So at the end you have Trump defend a murderous dictator, not for any grand purpose, not for world peace, not for any strategic advantage for the country, but rather just so Trump can continue to brag about a compliment. It's the equivalent of a lonely woman defending a murderer in jail because the guy wrote her a letter saying how pretty she is. She wants so desperately to cling to that affection, even if it is means next to nothing, that she'll defend him by saying he didn't mean to do it, or he was set up, or he's a changed man.


Trump has no substance. He's just creating an atmosphere. And that atmosphere is made up of false confidence. The people that are voting for Trump just to "shake things up" are playing chicken with the country, and there's no one in the other car.
 
Hillary ran the US State Department for 4 years, managing career diplomats, and for 8 years had a hand in running the US government.

Trump is claiming that his business experience makes him qualified to run the US Government. Managing career government employees is the job at hand.

How much did Trump lose trying to run large casinos? What gains in efficiency have been implemented by his managers, during his stewardship?




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Hillary hasn't done squat. She's nothing but a figure head. She was fired [as a lawyer] from the Watergate comm. for improprieties, her HealthCare failed to get any support and her foreign policy is a nightmare.

https://heatst.com/politics/hillary-clintons-5-greatest-fake-accomplishments/

The downturn in 2008 hurt a lot of casinos, not just Trump's.
 
She ran the State Department. It has a budget of almost $66 billion and almost 70,000 employees.

Can you say figure head. Do you really think she oversaw the money? [accept the money that was going into her and Bill's pocket]
 
Can you say figure head. Do you really think she oversaw the money? [accept the money that was going into her and Bill's pocket]

She ran the State Department. That isn't a debatable fact. I don't care for her either, but I don't think being dishonest is the right path here.
 
She doesn't know squat about the inner workings of the dept.

She was a diplomat.

A bunch of GS 13-15 people run the State Dept. and keep the SOS informed.

She was the CEO of the State Department. That isn't a disputable fact. She was ultimately responsible for 70,000 employees and $66 billion in operating budget. That isn't inconsequential.
 
I do think it's dangerous to equate Trump's business skills with an ability to be president. His history is one of great failures and big successes that is only really defined by a desire to take risks. I don't want a president that takes risks for the sake of it. It sounds dangerous.
 
She was the CEO of the State Department. That isn't a disputable fact. She was ultimately responsible for 70,000 employees and $66 billion in operating budget. That isn't inconsequential.

You really do not know government agencies, and how they work, do you?

She was a figurehead and a diplomat........regular GS employees ran the dept.

She wouldn't know squat about how the floors get swept, how they handle logistics, supplies, manpower etc. etc. etc.


The wench didn't even know how to handle emails.............................right?
 
You really do not know government agencies, and how they work, do you?

She was a figurehead and a diplomat........regular GS employees ran the dept.

She wouldn't know squat about how the floors get swept, how they handle logistics, supplies, manpower etc. etc. etc.


The wench didn't even know how to handle emails.............................right?

Yes, I know how government works. And my childhood best friend's father was Secretary of the Treasury. I'm well aware of what people do when they are the Secretaries.

She has more executive experience than Trump does. I don't like her, but I'm not dishonest, as it appears the Trump supporters want to be.
 
Yes, I know how government works. And my childhood best friend's father was Secretary of the Treasury. I'm well aware of what people do when they are the Secretaries.

She has more executive experience than Trump does. I don't like her, but I'm not dishonest, as it appears the Trump supporters want to be.

My childhood best friend's father was the SOT?

Please explain how that gives you the inside knowledge on the daily workings of a government office.

I knew a guy that played hockey with Bobby Orr, but that doesn't mean that I know the inner workings of the NHL...................does it?
 
My childhood best friend's father was the SOT?

Please explain how that gives you the inside knowledge on the daily workings of a government office.

I knew a guy that played hockey with Bobby Orr, but that doesn't mean that I know the inner workings of the NHL...................does it?

No, my childhood best friend's father was Secretary of Treasury. I knew the family well and knew what he did as Secretary. I also studied a lot of government in college, and I've also known many people who worked for the government. Not sure what the obnoxious Bobby Orr comment was about. Sorry to interrupt your Trump worshipping and making up things about Clinton because you want to make Trump look better. Carry on.
 
No, my childhood best friend's father was Secretary of Treasury. I knew the family well and knew what he did as Secretary. I also studied a lot of government in college, and I've also known many people who worked for the government. Not sure what the obnoxious Bobby Orr comment was about. Sorry to interrupt your Trump worshipping and making up things about Clinton because you want to make Trump look better. Carry on.

Studying government, and knowing government administrative offices is about as relative apples to rocks. I know how government offices run, and how the chain of command works. I can tell you what building, floor, and who to see over in Norfolk (NOB) for any thing you need done, and I have been out of the picture for almost 20 years.

You took a class in Government......................wow!

You don't know ****.
 
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