SJSU v. Nevada volleyball game moves to San Jose over transgender athlete

[Michael Cole]

SJSU v. Nevada volleyball game moves to San Jose over transgender athlete

Members of the Nevada team have said they won't play in the game that was scheduled to be played in Reno on Saturday because San Jose has a transgender player on the roster.

www.ktvu.com

SAN JOSE, Calif. - The women's volleyball game between San Jose State University and the University of Nevada at Reno has been moved to San Jose.

Members of the Nevada team have said they won't play in the game that was scheduled to be played in Reno on Saturday because San Jose has a transgender player on the roster.

Nevada state law prohibits forfeiting a game based on gender identity, which prompted moving the game to San Jose.

Four other teams have cancelled games with San Jose State this year.

San Jose State has already seen four teams cancel games this season — Southern Utah, Boise State, Wyoming and Utah State. None of the schools explicitly have said why it was forfeiting. All those schools, except Southern Utah, are in the Mountain West.

Regardless of your opinion on transgender sports, the issue has become a problem at Division 1 schools.

If women athletes object to playing against transgender opponents, should their wishes ultimately be honored?

 

[Grand Mal]

SJSU v. Nevada volleyball game moves to San Jose over transgender athlete

Members of the Nevada team have said they won't play in the game that was scheduled to be played in Reno on Saturday because San Jose has a transgender player on the roster.

www.ktvu.com

SAN JOSE, Calif. - The women's volleyball game between San Jose State University and the University of Nevada at Reno has been moved to San Jose.

Members of the Nevada team have said they won't play in the game that was scheduled to be played in Reno on Saturday because San Jose has a transgender player on the roster.

Nevada state law prohibits forfeiting a game based on gender identity, which prompted moving the game to San Jose.

Four other teams have cancelled games with San Jose State this year.

San Jose State has already seen four teams cancel games this season — Southern Utah, Boise State, Wyoming and Utah State. None of the schools explicitly have said why it was forfeiting. All those schools, except Southern Utah, are in the Mountain West.

Regardless of your opinion on transgender sports, the issue has become a problem at Division 1 schools.

If women athletes object to playing against transgender opponents, should their wishes ultimately be honored?

What would not honouring their wishes look like? You can't force them to play.

 

[Michael Cole]

What would not honouring their wishes look like? You can't force them to play.

Yes, that's what it has come down to. As Biden often says, we're at an inflection point.

One player may seem insignificant, but this has affected five other schools so far. I'm completely supportive of everyone's civil rights, but I think the women athletes' concerns over fairness should be heeded.

It's a difficult situation. Transgender people have a right to participate in sports, but if women aren't willing to play, then the NCAA has a serious problem that needs addressing.

 

[Mike1950]

An interesting thing happened in Indiana back in the 70s. It was early in the process of establishing sports for girls in high school. There were also court rulings that were affecting things. The courts ruled that girls could go out for boys sports team if the school didn't have a corresponding sport for girls. There were a couple of cases of girls making basketball teams and even one or two girls that played football (usually as a kicker). High schools started having girls volleyball teams. However since there wasn't a corresponding boys team, boys started going out for the girls teams. We aren't talking transgender here but rather regular boys dominating a girls sport. the interesting thing is that conservatives loved it back then. They say it as giving the proverbial middle finger to the courts ruling on girls getting to play on boys teams and being made to have girls sports at all. It got straightened out after a few years.
Now days girl's sports are common and we forget what an emotion charged start there was to it. It is interesting that at one time it was the conservatives cheering on males playing on Girls teams.

 

[Michael Cole]

An interesting thing happened in Indiana back in the 70s. It was early in the process of establishing sports for girls in high school. There were also court rulings that were affecting things. The courts ruled that girls could go out for boys sports team if the school didn't have a corresponding sport for girls. There were a couple of cases of girls making basketball teams and even one or two girls that played football (usually as a kicker). High schools started having girls volleyball teams. However since there wasn't a corresponding boys team, boys started going out for the girls teams. We aren't talking transgender here but rather regular boys dominating a girls sport. the interesting thing is that conservatives loved it back then. They say it as giving the proverbial middle finger to the courts ruling on girls getting to play on boys teams and being made to have girls sports at all. It got straightened out after a few years.
Now days girl's sports are common and we forget what an emotion charged start there was to it. It is interesting that at one time it was the conservatives cheering on males playing on Girls teams.

Trying to remember high school, there were girls volleyball, gymnastics and swimming. That was it. Boys has football, baseball, basketball, track, wrestling, gymnastics and swimming. No volleyball.

 

[Mike1950]

Trying to remember high school, there were girls volleyball, gymnastics and swimming. That was it. Boys has football, baseball, basketball, track, wrestling, gymnastics and swimming. No volleyball.

I went to a small school. We had no girls sports at all till volleyball and for several years that was all.

 

[Loulit01]

If you have a penis and testicles you can't play women's sports. I like to think I'm as progressive as the next pronoun happy old guy, but it's just not fair.

 

[Mike1950]

If you have a penis and testicles you can't play women's sports. I like to think I'm as progressive as the next pronoun happy old guy, but it's just not fair.

I used to think the same thing at one time. I voiced my opinion to my wife who is an OB nurse. She then explained that it isn't that simple and some babies are born with a confusing set of body parts. Then you find out there are other complications like with hormonal problems disagreeing with the body parts. There are even other variables on top of these.
Turns out that all of this confusion has been around forever. Being trans has complicated it further but much of the problem is stuff that has always been with us but it was just kept secret and not talked about. The genie is out of the bottle now days and a lot of people would be more comfortable with putting it back in the bottle.
And of course as we all know that nowadays when a problem becomes political it just turns to crap and lies.

 

[Absentglare]

SJSU v. Nevada volleyball game moves to San Jose over transgender athlete

Members of the Nevada team have said they won't play in the game that was scheduled to be played in Reno on Saturday because San Jose has a transgender player on the roster.

www.ktvu.com

SAN JOSE, Calif. - The women's volleyball game between San Jose State University and the University of Nevada at Reno has been moved to San Jose.

Members of the Nevada team have said they won't play in the game that was scheduled to be played in Reno on Saturday because San Jose has a transgender player on the roster.

Nevada state law prohibits forfeiting a game based on gender identity, which prompted moving the game to San Jose.

Four other teams have cancelled games with San Jose State this year.

San Jose State has already seen four teams cancel games this season — Southern Utah, Boise State, Wyoming and Utah State. None of the schools explicitly have said why it was forfeiting. All those schools, except Southern Utah, are in the Mountain West.

Regardless of your opinion on transgender sports, the issue has become a problem at Division 1 schools.

If women athletes object to playing against transgender opponents, should their wishes ultimately be honored?

The trans player could be really good and we might lose!

Proceeds to forfeit the game to guarantee a loss.

That’s some big brain grandstanding.

 

[Absentglare]

Yes, that's what it has come down to. As Biden often says, we're at an inflection point.

One player may seem insignificant, but this has affected five other schools so far. I'm completely supportive of everyone's civil rights, but I think the women athletes' concerns over fairness should be heeded.

It's a difficult situation. Transgender people have a right to participate in sports, but if women aren't willing to play, then the NCAA has a serious problem that needs addressing.

Why is this a problem? Because Nevada law prevents the game? Sounds like Nevada politicians are the ones ****ing up girls’ sports. Players don’t want to play? Great, they don’t need to sign up, and they probably shouldn’t if they can’t handle the possibility of losing.

It’s up to the league to manage eligibility criteria. It should not be micromanaged, on-size-fits-all, zero tolerance, political hysteria driven stupidity.

 

[Michael Cole]

Why is this a problem? Because Nevada law prevents the game? Sounds like Nevada politicians are the ones ****ing up girls’ sports. Players don’t want to play? Great, they don’t need to sign up, and they probably shouldn’t if they can’t handle the possibility of losing.

It’s up to the league to manage eligibility criteria. It should not be micromanaged, on-size-fits-all, zero tolerance, political hysteria driven stupidity.

It's a problem because four games have been cancelled and this one has been moved. I was clear on that.

 

[Absentglare]

If you have a penis and testicles you can't play women's sports. I like to think I'm as progressive as the next pronoun happy old guy, but it's just not fair.

Then people like Mack Beggs who are on testosterone will compete with girls?

 

[Taylor]

What would not honouring their wishes look like?

Did you not read the OP?

 

[Absentglare]

It's a problem because four games have been cancelled and this one has been moved. I was clear on that.

That’s not my problem.

We used to have white leagues and colored leagues, if some team in a mixed league had a black player and the opponents refused to play, the solution isn’t to kick the black player off the team.

 

[Taylor]

Then people like Mack Beggs who are on testosterone will compete with girls?

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No, they don't allow performance-enhancing drugs.

 

[Absentglare]

No, they don't allow steroids.

Who? Ted Cruz? Or do sports leagues get a little bit of freedom to write their own rules?

What you’re suggesting is that hormones are a better metric than birth genitalia.

 

[Michael Cole]

That’s not my problem.

Yet here you are.

We used to have white leagues and colored leagues, if some team in a mixed league had a black player and the opponents refused to play, the solution isn’t to kick the black player off the team.

If skin color provided a competitive advantage, you'd have a point.

 

[Absentglare]

Yet here you are.


If skin color provided a competitive advantage, you'd have a point.

Oh, they made the competitive advantage argument, too.

Various individuals, including scholars and sportswriters, have commented on the apparent over-representations and under-representations of different races in different sports. African Americans accounted for 75% of players in the National Basketball Association (NBA) near the end of 2008.[20] According to the latest National Consortium for Academics and Sports equality report card, 65% of National Football Leagueplayers were African Americans. However, in 2008, about 8.5% of Major League Baseballplayers were African American (who make up about 13% of the US population), and 29.1% were Hispanics of any race (compared with about 16% of the US population).[20] In 2020, less than 5% of the National Hockey League (NHL) players are black or of mixed black heritage.[21]

Now imagine that I started saying it’s not fair us whites have to compete in basketball with black people, we need to pass laws to force every sports league to have a no-blacks division because I believe my white kids would probably lose if they had to compete with blacks.

That’s be ****ing crazy right? Yeah that’d be ****ing crazy.

 

[Sweden]

Yes, that's what it has come down to. As Biden often says, we're at an inflection point.

One player may seem insignificant, but this has affected five other schools so far. I'm completely supportive of everyone's civil rights, but I think the women athletes' concerns over fairness should be heeded.

It's a difficult situation. Transgender people have a right to participate in sports, but if women aren't willing to play, then the NCAA has a serious problem that needs addressing.

Not a "difficult situation" at all. Men pretending to be women should not participate in women's sport. If they do it's cheating.

 

[Michael Cole]

Not a "difficult situation" at all. Men pretending to be women should not participate in women's sport. If they do it's cheating.

It's difficult for transgenders who want to participate in sports, but yes, I support the women athletes here.

 

[Michael Cole]

Oh, they made the competitive advantage argument, too.


Now imagine that I started saying it’s not fair us whites have to compete in basketball with black people, we need to pass laws to force every sports league to have a no-blacks division because I believe my white kids would probably lose if they had to compete with blacks.

That’s be ****ing crazy right? Yeah that’d be ****ing crazy.

The issue is women vs men, not black vs white. Stay focused.

 

[Sweden]

It's difficult for transgenders who want to participate in sports, but yes, I support the women athletes here.

Genetically male 'transgenders' can compete in men's sports and those genetically female in women's. What's the problem?

 

[Michael Cole]

Genetically male 'transgenders' can compete in men's sports and those genetically female in women's. What's the problem?

I think it's more complex than that.

 

[Beruit 1978]

There are no "transgender athletes" in women's sports. There are only misogynistic predators victimizing women.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

If women athletes object to playing against transgender opponents, should their wishes ultimately be honored?

It isn’t a matter of discrimination but reasonable expectations of fairness. So, yes.

If a female athlete was found to be PED boosting with testosterone they’d be ejected from competition. So why is it an athlete whose childhood and adolescent development received endurance and strength development enhancement from heightened presence of this PED allowed to compete against female athletes not benefitting from this enhanced performance?

No one is citing fault. It is a real situation though and not the fault of these other athletes either. It’s unfair to ask them to compete against others whose physical abilities are likely greater than their own based on body chemistry differences because an athlete in question is transitioning