Sinema and Manchin

[JMB1911A1]

So, have any Democrats thanked Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin for their refusal to support removal of the filibuster during the last Congress?

Because of those two had gone along with Chuck Schumer in 2023, there would be no filibuster today.

Chuck’s desire to destroy the filibuster for legislative actions would have ranked right up there with Harry Reid’s removal of the filibuster for judicial appointments. Anyone remember how that turned and bit the Dems right in the ass?

MSN

 

[Michael Cole]

So, have any Democrats thanked Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin for their refusal to support removal of the filibuster during the last Congress?

Not a Democrat, but I thanked him back then.

Because of those two had gone along with Chuck Schumer in 2023, there would be no filibuster today.

Chuck’s desire to destroy the filibuster for legislative actions would have ranked right up there with Harry Reid’s removal of the filibuster for judicial appointments. Anyone remember how that turned and bit the Dems right in the ass?

MSN

Yes, the future with no filibuster is easy to predict. Manchin made the right choice. I try to avoid reading about Sinema when possible, so whatever her part was, good for her, too.

 

[Perotista]

So, have any Democrats thanked Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin for their refusal to support removal of the filibuster during the last Congress?

Because of those two had gone along with Chuck Schumer in 2023, there would be no filibuster today.

Chuck’s desire to destroy the filibuster for legislative actions would have ranked right up there with Harry Reid’s removal of the filibuster for judicial appointments. Anyone remember how that turned and bit the Dems right in the ass?

MSN

Without Senator Harry Reid’s precedence setting first use of the nuclear option, the SCOTUS certainly would have looked different today. Reid’s use of the nuclear option was a knee jerk reaction with no thought given to the future. It was a very short-term gain for the democrats who have paid a very dear long-term price.

While the republicans owe Reid an extreme debt of gratitude, the democrats owe the same to Sinema and Manchin. Those two prevented the senate into becoming a miniature version of the house where the majority party has absolute control. I’m still puzzled as to why a party known for its stand for minority right would take away the minority party’s rights via the nuclear option along with doubling down on stripping more of the minority party’s rights by ending the filibuster.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Without Senator Harry Reid’s precedence setting first use of the nuclear option, the SCOTUS certainly would have looked different today. Reid’s use of the nuclear option was a knee jerk reaction with no thought given to the future. It was a very short-term gain for the democrats who have paid a very dear long-term price.

While the republicans owe Reid an extreme debt of gratitude, the democrats owe the same to Sinema and Manchin. Those two prevented the senate into becoming a miniature version of the house where the majority party has absolute control. I’m still puzzled as to why a party known for its stand for minority right would take away the minority party’s rights via the nuclear option along with doubling down on stripping more of the minority party’s rights by ending the filibuster.

I am not sure that the Democrats are truly for minority rights anymore. I see them using minorities as a way to divide people and get little groups behind them. Enough little groups and you have power. And then, eliminate minority party rights so you can keep power.

I read liberal boards where they said that Democrats needed to eliminate the filibuster in order to maintain power because the Republicans would do it if they won. The Republican won and no-one from that side of the aisle has called for elimination of the filibuster, even after this CR battle.

 

[Slavister]

So, have any Democrats thanked Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin for their refusal to support removal of the filibuster during the last Congress?

Because of those two had gone along with Chuck Schumer in 2023, there would be no filibuster today.

Chuck’s desire to destroy the filibuster for legislative actions would have ranked right up there with Harry Reid’s removal of the filibuster for judicial appointments. Anyone remember how that turned and bit the Dems right in the ass?

MSN

I have no doubt that when Putin's MAGA party needs to remove filibuster, they will without hesitation, if they can.

 

[JMB1911A1]

I have no doubt that when Putin's MAGA party needs to remove filibuster, they will without hesitation, if they can.

They haven’t even talked about. Admit it, Democrats wanted one party rule in 2022.

 

[Slavister]

They haven’t even talked about.

1. You would not know.

2. I am sure they have.

Admit it, Democrats wanted one party rule in 2022.

That's just dumb. Read my signature.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

So, have any Democrats thanked Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin for their refusal to support removal of the filibuster during the last Congress?

The Democrats were only trying to get rid of the filibuster in 2022 as it pertains to passing voter protection legislation....because Republicans love voter suppression and trying to remove the rights of minorites to vote.

You can try to lie and deceive all you want about that, but that is the truth. And Manchin and Sinema made the wrong choice.

Because of those two had gone along with Chuck Schumer in 2023, there would be no filibuster today.

Chuck’s desire to destroy the filibuster for legislative actions would have ranked right up there with Harry Reid’s removal of the filibuster for judicial appointments. Anyone remember how that turned and bit the Dems right in the ass?

This is irrelevant. Schumer should have taken a stand on Friday, with or without the filibuster.

 

[Perotista]

I am not sure that the Democrats are truly for minority rights anymore. I see them using minorities as a way to divide people and get little groups behind them. Enough little groups and you have power. And then, eliminate minority party rights so you can keep power.

I read liberal boards where they said that Democrats needed to eliminate the filibuster in order to maintain power because the Republicans would do it if they won. The Republican won and no-one from that side of the aisle has called for elimination of the filibuster, even after this CR battle.

I always liked the filibuster. It usually, not always requires comprise and prevents this country from lurching first left and then right. It’s a steadying influence. Prior to the nuclear option instigated and first used by democratic senate majority leader, Harry Reid, the threat of a filibuster in judicial nominees and appointments cause some of the extreme judges from being considered. Each side knew they had to get a couple or more of the minority party to agree with the appointment.

In the past, many states thought it best to have a senator from each party. 27 states had split senators back in 1980, today we’re down to 3, Wisconsin, Maine and Pennsylvania. Most states will continue to send both senators to Washington from the same party. Which means the republicans are close to locking up the majority in the senator for the near future. In 2026 the republicans have 23 senate seats up for election vs. 13 for the democrats. Since Collins, Maine is retiring that will be a democratic pickup. North Carolina will be close, but Tillis is a slight favorite. The rest of the 21 republican seats up look safe. On the democratic side, Ossoff in Georgia could easily be a republican gain and Michigan is an open seat, tossup. Minnesota and New Hampshire are two other democratic seats that could switch to the republicans, but the democrats are slight favorites in both states. The other 9 democratic seats are safe.

Even with 10 more seats up for election in 2026 than the democrats, the republicans even when they lose Maine, could have a net gain of one or two seats. Long time before the midterm elections, this could change. I doubt it though. When Maine goes democratic, we’ll be down to just 2 states with a senator from each party while most senate races won’t be in doubt.

 

[markdc]

Manchin and Sinema were the only Democrats in the Senate that I would have even considered voting for.

Mark

 

[JMB1911A1]

The Democrats were only trying to get rid of the filibuster in 2022 as it pertains to passing voter protection legislation....because Republicans love voter suppression and trying to remove the rights of minorites to vote.

You are either lying or ignorant. It was not just voting rights that Dems wanted to remove the filibuster for.

AOC wanted to eliminate the filibuster regarding abortion.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/570505-ocasio-cortez-scrapping-filibuster-over-abortion-rights-shouldnt-be-a/

You can try to lie and deceive all you want about that, but that is the truth. And Manchin and Sinema made the wrong choice.

Your double standards are pathetic.

This is irrelevant. Schumer should have taken a stand on Friday, with or without the filibuster.

 

[jmotivator]

Without Senator Harry Reid’s precedence setting first use of the nuclear option, the SCOTUS certainly would have looked different today. Reid’s use of the nuclear option was a knee jerk reaction with no thought given to the future. It was a very short-term gain for the democrats who have paid a very dear long-term price.

While the republicans owe Reid an extreme debt of gratitude, the democrats owe the same to Sinema and Manchin. Those two prevented the senate into becoming a miniature version of the house where the majority party has absolute control. I’m still puzzled as to why a party known for its stand for minority right would take away the minority party’s rights via the nuclear option along with doubling down on stripping more of the minority party’s rights by ending the filibuster.

This has been my position since I joined these forums, and I have warned both parties not to collect power for your party that you wouldn't trust with the opposition party. Democrats have mostly been the least interested in considering long term consequences.

I remember back, when the Democrats were looking to overhaul the election system and leave it in the hands of a panel of unelected bureaucrats, there were several people on these forums who supported ending the filibuster to get it done and I warned them then too. I'll never forget one forum member, who shall remain nameless, who said they didn't worry about that because if they passed that legislation the Democrats would never lose again.

The United States doesn't survive with one party rule. The minority party and minority voices should ALWAYS wield some power in the outcomes of political decisions.

 

[Perotista]

This has been my position since I joined these forums, and I have warned both parties not to collect power for your party that you wouldn't trust with the opposition party. Democrats have mostly been the least interested in considering long term consequences.

I remember back, when the Democrats were looking to overhaul the election system and leave it in the hands of a panel of unelected bureaucrats, there were several people on these forums who supported ending the filibuster to get it done and I warned them then too. I'll never forget one forum member, who shall remain nameless, who said they didn't worry about that because if they passed that legislation the Democrats would never lose again.

The United States doesn't survive with one party rule. The minority party and minority voices should ALWAYS wield some power in the outcomes of political decisions.

I agree. When Reid and the democrats first used the nuclear option, I posed the question, did they think the democrats would control the senate from then until eternity? That the republicans would never regain power. That at the time, did Reid and company think McConnell was such a gentleman that he’d never use the nuclear option?

Yes, democrats on this site jumped up and down with joy when Reid first use the nuclear option. I don’t think seeing the results of that decision, they’re jumping up and down with joy today. Yes, that is one huge problem with our political leaders, they don’t think about the future or the long term consequences of their action.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

You are either lying or ignorant. It was not just voting rights that Dems wanted to remove the filibuster for.

AOC wanted to eliminate the filibuster regarding abortion.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/570505-ocasio-cortez-scrapping-filibuster-over-abortion-rights-shouldnt-be-a/

AOC is one Democrat. The Democrats wanted to end the filibuster in 2022 for voting rights legislation only....that's all. What you said about Manchin and Sinema preventing the removal of the filbuster entirely simply isn't true.

The only one lying is you.

Now that I have corrected your lie......I'm all for ending the filibuster. It's a relic of the racist Jim Crow era, used to deny African Americans their rights....which is why Republicans are so in love with it.

Your double standards are pathetic.

There is no double standard, as I just explained. Get rid of the filibuster.

 

[JMB1911A1]

AOC is one Democrat. The Democrats wanted to end the filibuster in 2022 for voting rights legislation only....that's all.

So, AOC isn’t a Democrat?

What you said about Manchin and Sinema preventing the removal of the filbuster entirely simply isn't true.

The only one lying is you.

Now that I have corrected your lie......I'm all for ending the filibuster. It's a relic of the racist Jim Crow era, used to deny African Americans their rights....which is why Republicans are so in love with it.


There is no double standard, as I just explained. Get rid of the filibuster.

So, you would have approved if Republicans had gotten rid of the filibuster at the start of this Congress? Yes or no?

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

So, AOC isn’t a Democrat?

Irrelevant to your moronic discussion about Manchin and Sinema.

So, you would have approved if Republicans had gotten rid of the filibuster at the start of this Congress? Yes or no?

Yes. It doesn't matter at this point. Trump and the MAGA Republican Party are Nazis. They are going to whatever they want to do, anyway.