Sigh, Pierre never learns

[Allan]

Emulating Trump didn't work for him the last election, to say the least.

So why is he doubling down? He has a leadership review coming up in 3 months so he better get his act together.

Carney is more popular now than the day he was elected which means that Poilievre's nonsense isn't resonating.

OTTAWA — A top aide to former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper has lashed out at Pierre Poilievre over his leadership of the Conservative party and his recent comments attacking the RCMP’s treatment of Justin Trudeau.

In a recent interview with a YouTube channel called Northern Perspective, Poilievre called the leadership of the RCMP “despicable” and said many of former prime minister Trudeau’s scandals “should have involved jail time.”

Writing an oped in the Toronto Star, Dimitri Soudas said Poilievre’s recent statements demonstrated “recklessness” and “a leadership approach that remains rooted in grievance rather than governance.”

“In a rule-of-law democracy, no opposition leader should ever call for a prime minister or any political rival to be jailed,” he wrote. “It undermines confidence in our justice system, our federal police and ultimately the Crown.”

Top aide to former PM Harper rips Poilievre’s comments about RCMP and Trudeau

A top aide to former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper has lashed out at Pierre Poilievre over his leadership of the Conservative party and his recent comments attacking the RCMP’s treatment of Justin Trudeau.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Grand Mal]

Emulating Trump didn't work for him the last election, to say the least.

So why is he doubling down? He has a leadership review coming up in 3 months so he better get his act together.

Carney is more popular now than the day he was elected which means that Poilievre's nonsense isn't resonating.

Top aide to former PM Harper rips Poilievre’s comments about RCMP and Trudeau

A top aide to former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper has lashed out at Pierre Poilievre over his leadership of the Conservative party and his recent comments attacking the RCMP’s treatment of Justin Trudeau.

www.ctvnews.ca

Carney is a pretty formidable political opponent. From what I've seen the only thing Poilievre has going for him is the name of his party.

 

[Allan]

Carney is a pretty formidable political opponent. From what I've seen the only thing Poilievre has going for him is the name of his party.

Pierre is a charisma black hole. He's either still getting bad advice from Jenni Byrne or he's getting good advice and ignoring it. Probably a little of both.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Let's say it loud and proud...........................


At least Canadians aren't dumb enough to elect a Trump-like figure.

 

[Allan]

 

[Jetboogieman]

Who knows, I think they feel they don't have a choice, if they move more to the centre, they'll lose the hard core traitor Maple MAGAS who are the backbone of the Conservatives these days, in which case they open the door to even more extremists in the party whilst knowing they won't attract enough support with the move to make up for it.

Do not doubt, that there is a sizeable group of Canadians who are 100% dumb enough, to look south of the border and say, yeah, we'd like some of that please.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Emulating Trump didn't work for him the last election, to say the least.

So why is he doubling down? He has a leadership review coming up in 3 months so he better get his act together.

Carney is more popular now than the day he was elected which means that Poilievre's nonsense isn't resonating.

Top aide to former PM Harper rips Poilievre’s comments about RCMP and Trudeau

A top aide to former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper has lashed out at Pierre Poilievre over his leadership of the Conservative party and his recent comments attacking the RCMP’s treatment of Justin Trudeau.

www.ctvnews.ca

I gave up on this guy before he lost his seat in the Ottawa region.

He's a one note musician. He has become obsolete. Canadians are no longer interested in chasing down the sins of Just Out, they have a new and very real enemy on their minds - a guy with orange skin who puts out videos of dumping shit on protestors.

He's not a leader. He's an attack dog. That served the party well when "Margaret's boy" was demonstrating his arrogance and detachment for a ****ing decade.

Carney has eclipsed Polly as his brand of hostile interrogation and accusation is no longer needed. "The People" said "good bye" to Trudeau months ago, he's only recently got the message.

Now - everything is Trump and our first ever international enemy.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Who knows, I think they feel they don't have a choice, if they move more to the centre, they'll lose the hard core traitor Maple MAGAS who are the backbone of the Conservatives these days, in which case they open the door to even more extremists in the party whilst knowing they won't attract enough support with the move to make up for it.

Do not doubt, that there is a sizeable group of Canadians who are 100% dumb enough, to look south of the border and say, yeah, we'd like some of that please.

"sizeable?"


No.

I gather daily with one group or another and lead a recovery group once as week. I talk to a lot of people....about politics and things in general

Since Trump came on the scene with his birther Bullshit I have not met even ONE person who has any respect for him..........AND a diminishing respect for ALL Americans as he tramples your already puny rights and lacklustre constitution into coal dust!

 

[Jetboogieman]

"sizeable?"


No.

I gather daily with one group or another and lead a recovery group once as week. I talk to a lot of people....about politics and things in general

Since Trump came on the scene with his birther Bullshit I have not met even ONE person who has any respect for him..........AND a diminishing respect for ALL Americans as he tramples your already puny rights and lacklustre constitution into coal dust!

I dunno, I travel through rural parts of the country for work, there is a sizeable Maple MAGA population in Rurality in Western Canada, less so the more Eastwards you go, but it's not quite as bad in BC, but Manitoba, Sask. and Alberta, it's there.

Glad I live in BC to an extent, Danielle Smith is... Oh my god, appealing to the worst political impulses in the province for sure.

But public safety concerns are definitely pushing alot of people in BC to more conservative arms provincially, some of those guys are whacky.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I dunno, I travel through rural parts of the country for work, there is a sizeable Maple MAGA population in Rurality in Western Canada, less so the more Eastwards you go, but it's not quite as bad in BC, but Manitoba, Sask. and Alberta, it's there.

Glad I live in BC to an extent, Danielle Smith is... Oh my god, appealing to the worst political impulses in the province for sure.

But public safety concerns are definitely pushing alot of people in BC to more conservative arms provincially, some of those guys are whacky.

That's the button the Canadian right pushes at the outset.

In fact, crime is down across the country....except in pockets like the Downtown Eastside.

Alberta has always been paranoid. 60% of all the guns in Canada (which is more than double the US) are owned in Alberta. Alberta is and has always been the base of separatism...not Quebec,I have been a reporter in both.

That trend dies fast when you hit the prairies where farmers are dependent on Federal subsidies. The interior of BC is changing fast. More and more people from the lower mainland are retiring there and tend to have a more left of center view.

I am more concerned about Ontario and the right wing nut bars who worship the at the Conservative Party altar.

It is far more likely Alberta will move to separate than Quebec.

 

[Allan]

But public safety concerns are definitely pushing alot of people in BC to more conservative arms provincially, some of those guys are whacky.

Carney's proposed justice system changes may calm the public safety concerns.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-crime-legislation-coming-next-week-9.6940970

 

[Allan]

It is far more likely Alberta will move to separate than Quebec.

Separation support in Alberta is only about 30%. Quebec is 37%.

Neither province is going anywhere.

 

[Brusan]

Separation support in Alberta is only about 30%. Quebec is 37%.

Neither province is going anywhere.

It’s a strange paradox to consider the fact of aboriginals gaining respect and influence serving to erect another bulwark against some provincial party attempting to whip up separation for simple partisan gain.

 

[ataraxia]

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Trump has shown this can work quite well. But that may just be a reflection of the American electorate. May not work in Canada.

 

[Allan]

Trump has shown this can work quite well.

It works well in other countries as well for example the UK right now.

But that may just be a reflection of the American electorate. May not work in Canada.

It's not worked in Canada but Poilievre is unable to read the room. Trump is despised in Canada and Pierre adopting his rhetoric - talking about our "woke military" for example - didn't resonate.

His popularity was primarily due to Canadians dislike of Trudeau. Once Carney was elected Liberal leader Pierre was dismissed by the electorate...



One thing leaders here should know never to do is be seen as a sycophant to the US President. The last PM to do so was Brian Mulroney. The response was to hand the Conservatives the largest election thrashing in western history. The Conservatives went from being the government to winning only two seats in Parliament.

The other unforced error here is directly criticizing the RCMP, a highly respected Canadian institution.

As @Grand Mal pointed out above Carney is a formidable political opponent. To compete with that the Conservatives have to have to have a top notch leader. What they've currently got is someone suffering the same fate as Trudeau: people are a little sick of him.

Message to Pierre Poilievre: Justin is gone, he's history. You're running against one of the best leaders in the world now. Get a program together or face the same irrelevance.

 

[Allan]

The other problem Pierre has is trying to oppose Carney's platform, which so far is very palatable to moderate conservatives. His Bill C-5 was unanimously supported by the Conservative Party in Parliament.

His next bill is going to be tougher judicial measures for criminals. How can the conservatives possibly oppose that?

That's why Poilievre is still fixated on Trudeau. He can't attack Carney's platform so he's fighting the ghost of Justin.

 

[ataraxia]

The other problem Pierre has is trying to oppose Carney's platform, which so far is very palatable to moderate conservatives. His Bill C-5 was unanimously supported by the Conservative Party in Parliament.

His next bill is going to be tougher judicial measures for criminals. How can the conservatives possibly oppose that?

That's why Poilievre is still fixated on Trudeau. He can't attack Carney's platform so he's fighting the ghost of Justin.

The US could use a Carney-type figure.

 

[Allan]

The US could use a Carney-type figure.

You had one with Obama. The good news is that there's more Obamas out there.

If there's one thing the US excels at it's very good leaders. The Democrats need to find one, quickly.

 

[ataraxia]

You had one with Obama. The good news is that there's more Obamas out there.

If there's one thing the US excels at it's very good leaders. The Democrats need to find one, quickly.

They may be out there. But I just don’t understand or trust the American electorate anymore to elect them.

 

[Allan]

They may be out there. But I just don’t understand or trust the American electorate anymore to elect them.

One advantage we have in Canada is that the two major parties are both liberal. If you were to browse the current Conservative Party platform you'd be surprised - support for women's reproductive rights, gay marriage, universal healthcare.

So even if Canadians were to veer to the right (and we do occasionally) the result is fairly moderate and competent government.

In the US conservatives are very right wing, and moving further from the center. And of course the current leadership is extremely corrupt and the POTUS is completely inept. That's a very bad combination.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Pierre is a sign that Trump's demagoguery fascist rhetoric only works for certain figures under certain conditions. You need the right mix of twisted charisma, moral bankruptcy, showmanship and the right conditions on the ground that would compel people to choose such abhorrent political figures. It's a combination of Canada not fully falling apart at the seams, and Pierre having no real personality of his own. He's just trying to copy a playbook rather than actually being the person that Trump is. Carney is a perfect candidate for a Trump-like figure to beat and he Pierre can't beat him.

Good luck JD Vance.

 

[Surrealistik]

It works well in other countries as well for example the UK right now.


It's not worked in Canada but Poilievre is unable to read the room. Trump is despised in Canada and Pierre adopting his rhetoric - talking about our "woke military" for example - didn't resonate.

His popularity was primarily due to Canadians dislike of Trudeau. Once Carney was elected Liberal leader Pierre was dismissed by the electorate...



One thing leaders here should know never to do is be seen as a sycophant to the US President. The last PM to do so was Brian Mulroney. The response was to hand the Conservatives the largest election thrashing in western history. The Conservatives went from being the government to winning only two seats in Parliament.

The other unforced error here is directly criticizing the RCMP, a highly respected Canadian institution.

As @Grand Mal pointed out above Carney is a formidable political opponent. To compete with that the Conservatives have to have to have a top notch leader. What they've currently got is someone suffering the same fate as Trudeau: people are a little sick of him.

Message to Pierre Poilievre: Justin is gone, he's history. You're running against one of the best leaders in the world now. Get a program together or face the same irrelevance.

Silence; never interrupt your opponent while he's making a mistake.

 

[Allan]

and Pierre having no real personality of his own.

What we see of his personality isn't good.

The infamous Apple Interview...



The OED should add this to their "Overconfidence" definition. He was so comfortable with his projected win he felt completely comfortable in revealing his default personal trait - smug arrogance.

The interview caused Canadians to cringe, laugh and mock. Yet despite that he still to this day has it posted on his YouTube channel.

Like I said, he can't read the room.

 

[ataraxia]

One advantage we have in Canada is that the two major parties are both liberal. If you were to browse the current Conservative Party platform you'd be surprised - support for women's reproductive rights, gay marriage, universal healthcare.

So even if Canadians were to veer to the right (and we do occasionally) the result is fairly moderate and competent government.

In the US conservatives are very right wing, and moving further from the center. And of course the current leadership is extremely corrupt and the POTUS is completely inept. That's a very bad combination.

Wow, that must be nice.

 

[Allan]

Wow, that must be nice.

The result is that politics isn't so much a contact sport here. Regardless of which party is in power our lives go on without much political drama.

That is reflected in the posts from Canadians on this forum. You don't see a lot of complaining about our government, except from that one batshit crazy member

The most recent example of that was our response to Trudeau. No liberal Canadian on the forum supported him but no one lost their shit over it. Except that one batshit crazy member