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NPR is so much better.
Hates AM radio but endorses the actions that will have everyone listening to AM radio on the freeway stuck in traffic for five hours.
That's called giving Democrats enough rope to hang themselves with.
It's cute you think there's rules to protesting. It's all illegal.Blocking freeways disrupts millions of people and should not be tolerated...
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Someone creative could probably come up with lots of ways.
Is there an acceptable way to disrupt the lives of millions of people in protest?
I thought it was understood and taken for granted that by its very nature, Civil DISobedience often involves breaking the law.
But, glad to have you bring it up for any listeners in the back who were unaware of what civil disobedience involves
Why should they be granted citizenship? On what grounds?
It's cute you think there's rules to protesting. It's all illegal.
Probably...
civil disobedience is civil and disobedient.I thought it was understood that Civil DISobedience is peaceful in nature.
If they have no criminal record, and they already have a job, then what other reason do you need?
Well they're not law-abiding citizens, according to your test.
Why should they be granted citizenship? On what grounds?
Maybe there's an intermediate step, which is to improve the immigration system to accommodate this apparent gap in the labor market, or continue looking the other way like we have for years because we know that their labor is more important than our legal purity.
again, it's not about the numbers of people, it's just that you have some special case about freeways
civil disobedience is civil and disobedient.
What of it?
If they have no criminal record, and they already have a job, then what other reason do you need?
Because it is the most simple solution. They are already here, living lives, paying taxes, with most likely Citizen children born here.
I literally said it was about the numbers of people... but ok.
it is illegalBlocking freeways is illegal and is not civil.
the question in question is not about freeways, but about your comment that civil disobedience is supposed to be peacefulNo idea. You are the one that keeps trying to make something out of my wish to not let people block freeways.
Simplest isn't best. You don't just hand out citizenship.
Do you think this is that sort of protest? Were you even inconvenienced by the closures?No it isn't. People/groups get permits all the time. They legally protest peacefully on public property and they do not disrupt people at all.
The fact that you don't understand that is ****ing hilarious.
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That's exactly what birthright citizenship does, so I presume you are against it?
But to someone who has grown up in a different country and culture, there's a screening process.
Simplest isn't best. You don't just hand out citizenship.
Again, why?
Consider the history of immigration in the US: dutch, germans, irish, french, scandinavians, chinese, italians, and many, many more. All of them coming from different countries with different cultures. The result? Created the richest and most free country in the world.
Do you think this is that sort of protest?
Were you even inconvenienced by the closures?
I realize that.
That's why I am pointing out that you have also said differently in this conversation.
You're fine with disrupting millions of peoples lives as long as it doesn't involve the freeway.
it is illegal
it is civil
the question in question is not about freeways, but about your comment that civil disobedience is supposed to be peaceful
If I have to start RE-connecting each of my comments with your relevant comments that I already quoted, this will become too tedious too quickly to continue
I encourage them to shut them down if there's people all over them. Honestly I have no problem with protest in any public space. Maybe put some thought into what's causing the protests instead? I can tell you as someone who suffered Los Angeles traffic for 20 years, just another day.Yes.
Do you encourage freeway closures as a practice... or just in this case?
No. Living in New Zealand has its advantages at times.
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I encourage them to shut them down if there's people all over them. Honestly I have no problem with protest in any public space. Maybe put some thought into what's causing the protests instead? I can tell you as someone who suffered Los Angeles traffic for 20 years, just another day.
Happened all the time in LA. One accident would shut down the entire freeway minus one lane. Then everyone on the other side has to stop to look. It took me 45 minutes to go about 12 miles on most days and could be up to an hour and a half on days like today when the freeway is effectively closed.Rarely are entire freeways shut down.
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What does one thing have to do with the other? Illegals should be targeted and deported. Legal residents and citizens should be able to use the freeway.Interesting. You seem more concerned with civilians who are being inconvenienced by the protestors than the civilians literally targeted by the feds.
The right to peaceably assembly is just that. It's not also a right to break the law, including jaywalking/impeding traffic.Though I am not a fan of shutting down freeways, it is an act of civil disobedience, and the protestors have rights that you seem to ignore.
Happened all the time in LA. One accident would shut down the entire freeway minus one lane. Then everyone on the other side has to stop to look. It took me 45 minutes to go about 12 miles on most days and could be up to an hour and a half on days like today when the freeway is effectively closed.
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