Should we worry more about China?

[Ironfist17]

Why 2016 candidates should worry more about China - CNNPolitics.com
Does China have a chance to become a real superpower? China has more than a billion people but most of them live in squalor; it might be performing quite well economically but it is very far from being a successful country. I'm sure it will become a major threat to America in the next couple of decades. They pretend to be our partners but all those hacker attacks make me feel quite uneasy.

 

[Chomsky]

My experience is: it's usually the silverware that goes missing ...

 

[John V]

Why 2016 candidates should worry more about China - CNNPolitics.com
Does China have a chance to become a real superpower? China has more than a billion people but most of them live in squalor; it might be performing quite well economically but it is very far from being a successful country. I'm sure it will become a major threat to America in the next couple of decades. They pretend to be our partners but all those hacker attacks make me feel quite uneasy.

Yes, you should be worried, but probably not for the reasons you might assume.

China's One Billion Strong Middle-Class

The US government might be the biggest hacker in the world ? RT USA

 

[Juanita]

Why 2016 candidates should worry more about China - CNNPolitics.com
Does China have a chance to become a real superpower? China has more than a billion people but most of them live in squalor; it might be performing quite well economically but it is very far from being a successful country. I'm sure it will become a major threat to America in the next couple of decades. They pretend to be our partners but all those hacker attacks make me feel quite uneasy.

IMO, we should always worry about China. They take their time and are in no hurry, but they have long range plans and goals. They want to see the U.S. dollar crumble and are working diligently towards that goal. They want it replaced by the new currency and a new banking system.

 

[flogger]

IMO, we should always worry about China. They take their time and are in no hurry, but they have long range plans and goals. They want to see the U.S. dollar crumble and are working diligently towards that goal. They want it replaced by the new currency and a new banking system.

Perhaps they simply want to be number 1 in the world (What nation doesn't) The difference being that China actually has the potential of being so. I've been all over China and the place is an ant hill of activity. They certainly aren't rising to US military provocations and have had their defence expenditure at around 2% GDP for decades

 

[joG]

Yes, you should be worried, but probably not for the reasons you might assume.

China's One Billion Strong Middle-Class

The US government might be the biggest hacker in the world ? RT USA

Actually China is only a symptom or incidence of what we should be worrying about. The world is moving into a constellation that is in a game theory type of thinking a multi-polar competition and alliance building between players of differing power without a stable solution. We are well informed of how such games run in theory and from thousands of years of experience. And that we should be extremely worried about.

 

[joG]

Why 2016 candidates should worry more about China - CNNPolitics.com
Does China have a chance to become a real superpower? China has more than a billion people but most of them live in squalor; it might be performing quite well economically but it is very far from being a successful country. I'm sure it will become a major threat to America in the next couple of decades. They pretend to be our partners but all those hacker attacks make me feel quite uneasy.

Of course China will be a super power in a few years. We made the decision that this would probably happen in the 1970's, when we played ping pong. We have known they would since the 80's and have excellent analysis from the 1990's that projected a development pretty close to the one we have had to this point in time. There is no real question open in that respect. From this analysis there are implication for strategy and depending on strategy flow a myriad of tactical decisions. The important question for strategy is, whether we can install a robust and legitimate international structure of security or not. On this the consequences of the now unavoidable progress of global development will depend.

 

[John V]

Actually China is only a symptom or incidence of what we should be worrying about. The world is moving into a constellation that is in a game theory type of thinking a multi-polar competition and alliance building between players of differing power without a stable solution. We are well informed of how such games run in theory and from thousands of years of experience. And that we should be extremely worried about.

True, in times of ‘danger’, nations form alliances. It used to be the West v USSR, but it’s now the west v China and Russia. Let’s see how that plays out, but economically the west doesn’t look good.

 

[joG]

True, in times of ‘danger’, nations form alliances. It used to be the West v USSR, but it’s now the west v China and Russia. Let’s see how that plays out, but economically the west doesn’t look good.

Possibly. But it does not make much difference, what the alliances are, as they multiply and shift. To focus on that might be of eminent importance tactically. But it easily misses the strategically defining point.

 

[Soho gator]

True, in times of ‘danger’, nations form alliances. It used to be the West v USSR, but it’s now the west v China and Russia. Let’s see how that plays out, but economically the west doesn’t look good.

China's equity markets are about to implode, they have a housing bubble that dwarfs ours in 2007 whole cities have been built that are essentially uninhabitated. They have plenty of problems that go unreported in the MSM. Our leaders (and would be leaders) do a great job of distilling fear (ISIs, China Mexico Iran Russia etc....

 

[Montecresto]

Why 2016 candidates should worry more about China - CNNPolitics.com
Does China have a chance to become a real superpower? China has more than a billion people but most of them live in squalor; it might be performing quite well economically but it is very far from being a successful country. I'm sure it will become a major threat to America in the next couple of decades. They pretend to be our partners but all those hacker attacks make me feel quite uneasy.

What you should be concerned about is USFP that has alienated China, and is driving them and Russia towards greater alliances, and proclamations of the threat to global security of a US dominated uni-polar world, and those two nations intent on opposing it. Beginning with George Bush's belligerent Middle East policy (continued by Obama) both nations military expenditures took a sharp increase, and in that time frame, China's budget has doubled, growing at 18% annually.

 

[Montecresto]

Why 2016 candidates should worry more about China - CNNPolitics.com
Does China have a chance to become a real superpower? China has more than a billion people but most of them live in squalor; it might be performing quite well economically but it is very far from being a successful country. I'm sure it will become a major threat to America in the next couple of decades. They pretend to be our partners but all those hacker attacks make me feel quite uneasy.

What you need to be concerned about is a belligerent USFP that is driving China and Russia to form closer alliances and make declarations of the dangers to global security posed by a US dominated uni-polar world. Since Bush's aggression in the ME (which has been continued by Obama) both nations military expenditures have shot up sharply, with China's doubling in the time frame growing at 18% annually. Both nations have shown their disdain by opposing us at the UN. And our Pentagons study concludes that the direction of China's modernization of its military is aimed specifically of denying the US the ability to oppose its interests in the SCS.

From the Council on Foreign Relations,

The beginning of the end of the international security system had actually come slightly earlier, on September 12, 2002, when President George W. Bush, to the surprise of many, brought his case against Iraq to the General Assembly and challenged the UN to take action against Baghdad for failing to disarm. "We will work with the UN Security Council for the necessary resolutions," Bush said. But he warned that he would act alone if the UN failed to cooperate.

Washington's threat was reaffirmed a month later by Congress, when it gave Bush the authority to use force against Iraq without getting approval from the UN first. The American message seemed clear: as a senior administration official put it at the time, "we don't need the Security Council."

This is the precise belligerence that the two countries intend to oppose.

Why the Security Council Failed - Council on Foreign Relations

 

[John V]

China's equity markets are about to implode, they have a housing bubble that dwarfs ours in 2007 whole cities have been built that are essentially uninhabitated. They have plenty of problems that go unreported in the MSM. Our leaders (and would be leaders) do a great job of distilling fear (ISIs, China Mexico Iran Russia etc....

Yes, I keep hearing that China is about to go bust for I don’t know how many years. The ghost city near me is largely uninhabited, but the apartments they contain have been bought as investments. There have been signs of a small recession for the last year or so, money is getting tight . . . Still, at a growth rate of 7%, which makes most western economies green with envy . . . If the Wall Street sharks could get their hands on it I’m sure it would collapse very soon.
The ones telling you it’s all falling apart are western economists and the western media.

 

[Juanita]

Perhaps they simply want to be number 1 in the world (What nation doesn't) The difference being that China actually has the potential of being so. I've been all over China and the place is an ant hill of activity. They certainly aren't rising to US military provocations and have had their defence expenditure at around 2% GDP for decades

I agree with you to a certain extent. Right now they are in a financial crisis with their stock market and in a bubble of sorts, but I expect them to come out of it OK.

 

[fmw]

No, we should not worry about China. But we should understand clearly that China is a competitor and an opponent and deal with them as we would deal with any other.

 

[Soho gator]

Yes, I keep hearing that China is about to go bust for I don’t know how many years. The ghost city near me is largely uninhabited, but the apartments they contain have been bought as investments. There have been signs of a small recession for the last year or so, money is getting tight . . . Still, at a growth rate of 7%, which makes most western economies green with envy . . . If the Wall Street sharks could get their hands on it I’m sure it would collapse very soon.
The ones telling you it’s all falling apart are western economists and the western media.

China has officially imploded. Major shareholders not allowed to sell for six months. Unprecedented. Markets down 40% since mid June. My dad did extremely well with a small short position vs china.

 

[Ockham]

Yes, you should be worried, but probably not for the reasons you might assume.

China's One Billion Strong Middle-Class

The US government might be the biggest hacker in the world ? RT USA

My god could you find two more horrible sources than DailyKos and RT USA?

It's like propaganda house party 2015.

 

[Dragonfly]

They want to see the U.S. dollar crumble and are working diligently towards that goal.

WHAT???

Source for this train of thought is what????

 

[Dragonfly]

What is it with Americans and FEAR ???????

Why the hell should we fear other countries when WE are our own worst enemy?

Why does America always have to have some kind of horrific boogie-man country/enemy out there just waiting to rape, pillage, and destroy us?

Here's an idea...stop worrying about everybody else, and start worrying about what the hell we're doing. :roll:

 

[Soho gator]

WHAT???

Source for this train of thought is what????

World nut daily

 

[American]

What is it with Americans and FEAR ???????

Why the hell should we fear other countries when WE are our own worst enemy?

Why does America always have to have some kind of horrific boogie-man country/enemy out there just waiting to rape, pillage, and destroy us?

Here's an idea...stop worrying about everybody else, and start worrying about what the hell we're doing. :roll:

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

 

[Chainsaw]

Why 2016 candidates should worry more about China - CNNPolitics.com
Does China have a chance to become a real superpower? China has more than a billion people but most of them live in squalor; it might be performing quite well economically but it is very far from being a successful country. I'm sure it will become a major threat to America in the next couple of decades. They pretend to be our partners but all those hacker attacks make me feel quite uneasy.

China is a shooting star. They are in a short-lived bright spot. China's demographics mathematically guarantee a burn-out into oblivion. They are in a current phase of rising wages, which is another stumbling block.....the demand for cheap labor is already moving manufacturing/jobs from China to other parts of Asia, to the middle east, then to S American and Africa.

 

[Peter Grimm]

IMO, we should always worry about China. They take their time and are in no hurry, but they have long range plans and goals. They want to see the U.S. dollar crumble and are working diligently towards that goal. They want it replaced by the new currency and a new banking system.

Why would they want the US dollar to crumble when they have boatloads of US Dollars in their banks? Makes absolutely no sense. Couple that with the fact that a "crumbling" US dollar would make their stuff more expensive to us, and that their whole economy is based on exports to us....

I think you're mistaken on this one.

 

[Montecresto]

Why would they want the US dollar to crumble when they have boatloads of US Dollars in their banks? Makes absolutely no sense. Couple that with the fact that a "crumbling" US dollar would make their stuff more expensive to us, and that their whole economy is based on exports to us....

I think you're mistaken on this one.

The European Union and China are two of the biggest traders in the world.

China - Trade - European Commission

 

[Montecresto]

China is a shooting star. They are in a short-lived bright spot. China's demographics mathematically guarantee a burn-out into oblivion. They are in a current phase of rising wages, which is another stumbling block.....the demand for cheap labor is already moving manufacturing/jobs from China to other parts of Asia, to the middle east, then to S American and Africa.

That makes them even more dangerous!