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If they are working "full time", ie 40 + hours a week kinda thing, then the temp agency is required to supply some benefits, as they are employees of the temp agency. Also, there is nothing wrong with going back to the temp agency and asking them to find you a different job. If they have done well enough that they have been kept around for 2 years, that suggests they are decent employees and would represent the agency well in another job. Temp agencies love and will work with good people since they get repeat business when they send good people out.
I don't like your argument for one reason. But I'll answer:
No they are not being forced to stay. However, they are temping in a job that they REALLY enjoy, and they are being told they are going to be brought on "soon". However, it appears that budgeting is a problem and it keeps getting pushed back more and more. So they think that soon they will get this job, but it seems like it may be a long time.
I'm not saying that government "interfering" in this situation is appropriate, but it's just a crappy situation for them. They love what they're doing, but they're getting paid 2 times less than what their colleagues are making that actually work here, they don't get our PTO, and especially our benefits...yet they do our work.
Can you understand that?
Are these people who are there because they work for a temporary agency, or are they working for your employer directly?
Your employer has 4 people in your department that they've been paying a temp agency for for over 2 years? I never heard of such a thing. Your employer is screwing itself because the fee they've been paying for those employees after 6 months becomes more costly than it would be to bring the employees on the payroll.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/the-rise-of-the-permanent-temp-economy/?_r=0
Over the last three years, the temp industry added more jobs in the United States than any other, according to the American Staffing Association, the trade group representing temp recruitment agencies, outsourcing specialists and the like/QUOTE]
Do you think we should get rid of or reduce the temp agencies? Do they seem to be part of the problem or solution?
"the temp industry added more jobs in the United States than any other,..."
They must go.
This really ****s up Obama's plans
I think many companies exploit them. For instance, there are about 4 temp workers in my department that have been here over 2 years now with no idea if they will ever be hired permanently. They don't have to give them benefits like sick time or healthcare. So while they do serve a purpose sometimes that gets taken advantage of so I am a little on the fence here.
They work for the temp agency, but they report to us directly and do the same work we do. So they get their own temp pay rather than ours.
I think Obama should ban jobs period.
Yes, and there are more from the same temp agency in other departments as well that also came on around the same time. I have no idea why they are keeping them on as temps, since they are great workers and there is definitely the need to have them on permanently.
Exactly the same for me. I don't trust them. They are easy to exploit. And it seems like many companies AND the government using them. Cheating the system. Plus how can you claim you are giving more jobs when they are crappy temp jobs that are not long term?
I think we should aim to create real jobs and reduce employment agencies.
That has nothing to do with your employer. Those people have to take it up with their employer. And they have no idea what your employer pays their employer for their labor. And if your employer was going to hire them full time, they would know about this through their employer. Employers don't hire temps from agencies as a means of interviewing job candidates. What kind of business are you in and what is the skill set of these people? By the way, they are supposed to tell their agency that they want to leave and get a better assignment somewhere. They aren't supposed to be discussing it with the employees of the employer who has contracted for their work.
Employers don't hire temps from agencies as a means of interviewing job candidates
So, there is a case of abuse, and your solution is to blow up the system?
You voted for Obama didn't you?
It's costing your employer a fortune to maintain temps through an agency. No clue why they'd do that.
um what? Where did I say anything about a solution or blowing up the system? All I was said was how there are a couple of temps where I work and it doesn't seem very much to the advantage of anyone since they have been here a little over 2 years.
and who I voted for is none of ya business.
I voted no and wonder what authority or legal precedent does the author of the poll speculate could be used to "get rid" of temp agencies? I've had experience working for two temp agencies and I have used them as an employer. Which is why I have to take exception to some of your comments tres borrachos. All of these details vary from state to state for obvious reasons, right to work laws (or as I like to call them, right to fire) etc. But I have found the practice of using temp agencies to spot potential good employes and hire them full time quite common. It's how I got hired by a fortune 500 company back in 2003 and they still follow the practice, though they also do direct hiring and recruitment at colleges too. This is not the case in your area?That has nothing to do with your employer. Those people have to take it up with their employer. And they have no idea what your employer pays their employer for their labor. And if your employer was going to hire them full time, they would know about this through their employer. Employers don't hire temps from agencies as a means of interviewing job candidates. What kind of business are you in and what is the skill set of these people? By the way, they are supposed to tell their agency that they want to leave and get a better assignment somewhere. They aren't supposed to be discussing it with the employees of the employer who has contracted for their work.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/the-rise-of-the-permanent-temp-economy/?_r=0
Over the last three years, the temp industry added more jobs in the United States than any other, according to the American Staffing Association, the trade group representing temp recruitment agencies, outsourcing specialists and the like
Do you think we should get rid of or reduce the temp agencies? Do they seem to be part of the problem or solution?
I think Obama should ban jobs period.
You suggest they have been promised a different arrangement multiple times. Have you heard the phrase, Fool me once, bad on you. Fool me twice, bad on me?I don't like your argument for one reason. But I'll answer:
No they are not being forced to stay. However, they are temping in a job that they REALLY enjoy, and they are being told they are going to be brought on "soon". However, it appears that budgeting is a problem and it keeps getting pushed back more and more. So they think that soon they will get this job, but it seems like it may be a long time.
I'm not saying that government "interfering" in this situation is appropriate, but it's just a crappy situation for them. They love what they're doing, but they're getting paid 2 times less than what their colleagues are making that actually work here, they don't get our PTO, and especially our benefits...yet they do our work.
Can you understand that?
100% hit the nail on the head.
We've had these two temps, GREAT guys, and they are being told "we should have an answer for you shortly". They've been told that a million times. They don't get our wonderful benefits and PTO. A shame.
You suggest they have been promised a different arrangement multiple times. Have you heard the phrase, Fool me once, bad on you. Fool me twice, bad on me?
As I said, if they don't like the terms of their employment, they should find something else to do.
BTW, I do not believe your they are being paid 2 times less statement.
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What I find concerning is that we are seeing far too much of the work force being forced into working for temp agencies Helix. It is a symptom of where things stand with our economy and not a good one in my opinion! I know some temp agency horror stories and then I know some great temp agency stories too. What you described is more the company you were temping for screwing you over than the temp agency! I've told many people over the years, if you are temping as a stepping stone to a permanent position someplace for more than a year and half and they are not making serious moves towards hiring you (calling you into HR, doing interviews, etc)? Then you need to move on to some other company if that is what you are using the temp agency job for.the current corporate scheme in my field is to staff the labs with "independent contractors," which are basically full time employees with an end date. i had a position like this a few years ago. i worked my ass off, got promoted to important committees, and was given verbal assurances that i would be hired as a real employee at the end of my contract. i'd describe the entire experience as something akin to Pinocchio waiting to be turned into a real boy. as my contract reached completion, my boss's boss was moved to emerging markets, and we got this new guy in who didn't know me. i started being treated like a second class employee where before i had been treated like anyone else. he even moved me from my regular cubicle to a much smaller one designed for visitors. needless to say, i was let go after doing a great job and working my ass off. i found the whole process to be a pile of ****. sad thing is that i might have to do it again.
staffing your company with temps who are going to be fired on a specific date no matter what they do is terrible for morale. most will do the minimum not to get fired unless you lie to them and tell them they will be hired, as was my experience. do i want the practice banned? no. but if there was a union in my field, i would definitely join it. this is the kind of **** that happens when labor is unorganized. i have a graduate degree, and up until recently, there really wasn't a need for a union in my field. i assure you that there is now.
False statement. Employers can very well do that. If they hire a temp and they are doing a good job, why WOULD they hire someone else if there was an opening? We've brought on tons of temps from the very same staffing agency. However, it always takes 10 times as long as hoped. And quit acting so "by the book". You know dam well when employees become friends they start talking about compensation at some point. Some people like to talk about that crap. You know it happens, I know it happens. Deal with it.
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