Should We Disband The United States?

[Moderate Right]

We've got a lively thread going in the General Political Discussion forum regarding the electoral college and I was wondering what members thought about doing away with the United States as a whole and, instead of having 50 individual states, having just one country we could simply call America. All state boundaries would be eliminated and laws, etc would be the exact same in every part of the country and the electoral college would not be necessary anymore as the election would just be decided by popular vote.

 

[Anagram]

No. Local levels of government are important.

 

[Ikari]

Keep it the same, but build a wall around CA and TX to keep those folk in their respective states.

 

[Fiddytree]

Keep it the same, but build a wall around CA and TX to keep those folk in their respective states.

I will consider this proposal if you include South Carolina in that list. It's been 230+ years of not calling their bluff enough.

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[antiquity]

We've got a lively thread going in the General Political Discussion forum regarding the electoral college and I was wondering what members thought about doing away with the United States as a whole and, instead of having 50 individual states, having just one country we could simply call America. All state boundaries would be eliminated and laws, etc would be the exact same in every part of the country and the electoral college would not be necessary anymore as the election would just be decided by popular vote.

The electoral college would be almost impossible to do away with...it would take a Constitution amendment and the majority of Congress and state to overturn it.....Never happen so liberals should stop dreaming.

 

[cuban smokes]

the way I see it is this: the Democrats & the Republicans have put our nation into a no win situation.

several things reign supreme over all else in this nation controlled by the Dems & the Reps:
(1) exponential debt
(2) never ending war
(3) the smaller population of wealthy constantly profiting while the masses of vanishing middle class, working poor, and poor continue to grow

IMO it would not be a bad idea if someone planted a nuke squarely in the middle of Washington DC; we could have a clean slate & new start

 

[Moderate Right]

Keep it the same, but build a wall around CA and TX to keep those folk in their respective states.

LOL. Maybe we could sell them both to Mexico and use those funds to pay for the wall. Does Mexico have that much money?

 

[MrWonka]

We've got a lively thread going in the General Political Discussion forum regarding the electoral college and I was wondering what members thought about doing away with the United States as a whole and, instead of having 50 individual states, having just one country we could simply call America. All state boundaries would be eliminated and laws, etc would be the exact same in every part of the country and the electoral college would not be necessary anymore as the election would just be decided by popular vote.

You are always going to want and or need to have localized governments of some form. I agree that the idea of each state being incredibly independent and self-governing is silly and outdated. Technology is bringing us closer and closer together every day, and that will inevitably necessitate more and more laws being consolidated at higher levels of government. However, I do think there is still plenty of room for individual decisions to be made at lower levels to at least some degree.

For instance, while it makes sense to have a national minimum wage that no state is allowed to go below there is still room for some states like California, Washington, and New York to demand higher wages for their state even though that might not make sense for Kansas.

There's also still an obvious degree of concern we must have for what happens if the overall nation gets controlled by a Tyrant like Trump. Right now many of the individual states have the power to fight back a bit and preventing him from destroying everything. While Betsy DeVos is a piece of garbage, the states themselves thankfully have a degree of control over their own education systems. Even with the rolling back of many EPA standards California is putting in place, it's own standards making sure the auto industry still has plenty of reasons to keep moving forward.

 

[Northern Light]

No...

That kind of centralized government leads to widespread mismanagement, waste (poor allocation of resources), ignorance of local/regional needs and differences, and political unrest. It just doesn't make sense to do it that way.

 

[MrWonka]

several things reign supreme over all else in this nation controlled by the Dems & the Reps:
(1) exponential debt
(2) never ending war
(3) the smaller population of wealthy constantly profiting while the masses of vanishing middle class, working poor, and poor continue to grow

It is patently ridiculous to blame Democrats for that. Their difficulty in fixing these problems which are caused by Republicans does not make them equally the fault of Democrats.

 

[cuban smokes]

It is patently ridiculous to blame Democrats for that. Their difficulty in fixing these problems which are caused by Republicans does not make them equally the fault of Democrats.

American politics is owned by the Dems & the Reps; both sides IMO hold equal blame in placing the US into the Hell hole we are currently in.

It's like a 'one party' government masquerading as a two party system; it's complete & utter bull**** because both sides are traitors to what our nation is really all about.

Get rid of Washington; there's your start ......................... wipe it off the map ................

 

[Ikari]

LOL. Maybe we could sell them both to Mexico and use those funds to pay for the wall. Does Mexico have that much money?

Well CA has good access to the Pacific Ocean, which I feel is necessary. I mean, there's Oregon and Washington, but I'd like to keep access there. Hmmm, TX has good access to the Gulf....but we can get there from other places. So maybe sell Texas, and sink California into the ocean.

 

[Fiddytree]

Well CA has good access to the Pacific Ocean, which I feel is necessary. I mean, there's Oregon and Washington, but I'd like to keep access there. Hmmm, TX has good access to the Gulf....but we can get there from other places. So maybe sell Texas, and sink California into the ocean.

Your libertarian sensibilities don't come to the obvious conclusion: we need them for their water access and we don't like them very much. Treat them like a colonized people.

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[tres borrachos]

I'm confused. Is this thread about getting rid of the Electoral College, or is it about getting rid of the United States? The lively debate was about the EC. The poll questions seem to be about the EC. Since I assume you didn't label your own poll thread correctly, I answered the poll question.

No, but get rid of the electoral college & go with popular vote

 

[Casper]

Well CA has good access to the Pacific Ocean, which I feel is necessary. I mean, there's Oregon and Washington, but I'd like to keep access there. Hmmm, TX has good access to the Gulf....but we can get there from other places. So maybe sell Texas, and sink California into the ocean.

You cannot sell what is not yours.

 

[Ikari]

You cannot sell what is not yours.

Texas belongs to the US, the rest of us can sell it if we want. Not even as big as Alaska, we can afford to get rid of it.

 

[cuban smokes]

We've got a lively thread going in the General Political Discussion forum regarding the electoral college and I was wondering what members thought about doing away with the United States as a whole and, instead of having 50 individual states, having just one country we could simply call America. All state boundaries would be eliminated and laws, etc would be the exact same in every part of the country and the electoral college would not be necessary anymore as the election would just be decided by popular vote.

"Yes, disband the US entirely and use popular vote" = what is that? Disband & use a popular vote, for what?

 

[Casper]

Texas belongs to the US, the rest of us can sell it if we want. Not even as big as Alaska, we can afford to get rid of it.

Try and see how it works out for ya. thanks

 

[beancounter]

Yes, all the states should function like independent countries without federal assistance.

Then have fun watching all the "taker" states come crawling to the "giver" states for help....

 

[Ikari]

Try and see how it works out for ya. thanks

Alamo part II likely

lol

 

[WillyPete]

You are always going to want and or need to have localized governments of some form. I agree that the idea of each state being incredibly independent and self-governing is silly and outdated. Technology is bringing us closer and closer together every day, and that will inevitably necessitate more and more laws being consolidated at higher levels of government. However, I do think there is still plenty of room for individual decisions to be made at lower levels to at least some degree.

There may be plenty of positive effects to that change, but consider that without states to suck up to lobbyists will be concentrated at the national level, and fewer ears listening means that only the biggest voices will be heard.

Seems like that would accelerate the rise of the oligarchy, by choking out smaller company's influence (never mind we peons.)

 

[longview]

Texas belongs to the US, the rest of us can sell it if we want. Not even as big as Alaska, we can afford to get rid of it.

Actually I do not think that is an option for the federal government.
The best they might be able to do is, allow Texas to return to the republic of Texas,
Of course that would also take away a large swath of Colorado, New Mexico, and a piece of Oklahoma.

 

[Casper]

Alamo part II likely

lol

Won't know till you try.
Psst, Texas won the war.

 

[late]

Personally, I'd like to break Maine into 2 states, north and south.

That would get the fangs of one parasite out of my neck.

 

[Ikari]

Actually I do not think that is an option for the federal government.
The best they might be able to do is, allow Texas to return to the republic of Texas,
Of course that would also take away a large swath of Colorado, New Mexico, and a piece of Oklahoma.

We are just getting rid of Texas. They are the problem. OK can stay, so can NM, and Colorado is far better than any other state in the Republic, so it stays. We're selling Texas to Mexico.