Should there be a bigger emphasis on the arts in school

[Oozlefinch]

It's not an opinion piece. I guess you didn't bother to read the analysis. No problem. Here is my own anecdotal evidence; my sister works IT in San Francisco and it is a hot issue in those circles. Never mind others opinions look at the analysis. It is a problem.

I work in San Francisco as well. The programmers I was talking about was for a company that worked on Montgomery Street.

You provide ancedotal from a third person, mine is first hand from working in IT in San Francisco.

I'm no beatles historian so I will leave it there however plenty of other bands that became huge met at arts college. Oh, and my list on the other page still stands.

Can you name one?

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- Can you name one?

Pink Floyd (who I never really had a thing for) were all in the arts scene, Roger Waters and Nick Mason studying Architecture and Syd Barrett at Camberwell College of the Arts.

The Doors (who I loved) had Manzarek and Morrison meet at film school UCLA.

Talking Heads (who I loved) met when on a design course Rhode Island School of Design

Devo (never had an opinion on them) - art students at Kent State University

yardbirds etc etc

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

I work in San Francisco as well. The programmers I was talking about was for a company that worked on Montgomery Street.

You provide ancedotal from a third person, mine is first hand from working in IT in San Francisco.



Can you name one?

Point is anecdotal evidence should be taken with a grain of salt. Analysis is evidence to properly consider because it studies a wide swath vs. a personal experience. Anyway, it is well established, no matter how you slice it, that workers are getting visas so companies can hire on the cheap.

 

[Mach]

Art to me is like digging through your imagination's junk drawer, you never know what you will find, and it's just an amazing tool for expression and creativity and joy.

Welcome to the forums!

That's creative thinking, not art. Nearly everyone does this to some degree..doctors, scientists, programmers, managers, etc.

Yes, society that faces cancer and North Korea and absolute poverty killing millions around the world, they may not put as much value in "digging through your imagination's junk drawer" as you do, strangely enough I love the arts too, just being blunt

I think the most valuable lessons for artists are:
1. Goal setting
2. Discipline
3. Looking at as much good art as they can in their field and try to really understand it (the process not the subject!).

And I don't think they teach that just in Art class, so I think artists won't suffer terribly, it will still be all those things you mentioned IMO

I've hired 8 artists in the past two years, I was unimpressed with their work ethic, drive, productivity, and their understanding of what art is out there and is good. So I personally would like to see some better trained artists! Bring'em on!!

But the real art instruction will likely come from private lesson or college-level. And I think anyone interested in either, can find either....are they really cutting college arts? Or just high school. I understand if HS is cut they may not want to pursue it later due to lack of exposure...just curious.

 

[akrunner88]

I'm a manager, lab manager specifically for a petroleum company. When I'm looking to promote people, there are several factors I place value in.

Overrated? The guy that comes into work every day on time and leaves on time. Busts his ass getting work done and results in to increase my turnaround times for clients. These guys, while I do value, are surprisingly not hard to find. I'm not underappreciating their hard work at all, but it's generally recognized that you, as the employee are expected to do your job and be a hard worker.

What I look to promote are those that are problem solvers, people that think outside the box. Those that identify issues and find ways to fix them. More importantly, those who identify issues that don't even exist (yet) and create processes and methods to prevent them from occurring in the first place. People who go above and beyond their job description to help our company succeed. These people are NOT a dime a dozen. They usually exhibit a level of creative thinking that as a manager makes my life easier. And in return, they are the ones that get recognized.

I feel the arts, the liberal arts, etc train you not what to think, but HOW to think. And this is a skill that is not innate in most people, it is something that is developed through experience and training. And that training needs to start at a young age.

I don't want to live in a society of robots, where our main objective every day is to come to work and collect a paycheck. Button pushers as I call them. I want to see entire industries develop from the creative minds and forces that have brought our planet so far the last 300 years. The well roundedness of our education is a primary factor towards that goal. Don't take it for granted.

 

[Politics1234]

I think art should have a big part. Our mind expresses itself with the help of arts and crafts. As a child in school in Europe art was a must. I also think it fosters intelligence.

 

[fmw]

There has to be a better way to save money in school districts without cutting programs that, in my personal opinion, are just as important to a child's development and education as any other course would be.

Not everyone shares your opinion.