You mean the commissary? You mean the kibbutzes? You mean the food pantry tradition of the sikhs? All pretty successful at feeding people and they dont throw away the mass quantities of food that we do on a daily basis and i assume they dont have to pay farmers to not grow.
1. Paying farmers not to grow food (or to destroy food) isn't Capitalism, that's Corporatism; we have FDR to thank for that one. You'll hear nothing but cheers from the Free Market Folks for weaning the American farmer off of subsidies.
2. The Commissary is a military entity. The Kibbutzes are small, highly cohesive social units from a society under siege (which can do better at subsuming self-interest into group identity), which depend on the ability to expel the unproductive. They still managed to produce economic crises, after which IIRC many pushed in a privatized/market direction. Though less horrific, it reminds me of the Pilgrim's experience. I wasn't familiar with the Sikh Langar, but quick research seems to indicate it is like any other food pantry: A charity, not an organized structure for production.
"But there are such things as food pantry's" is also not a counter to the point that attempting to nationalize food production has reliably and repeatedly led to mass deprivation and starvation.
People are made out of human is no answer or argument with any evidential basis to rebut my point. Human nature changes and has changed all through history and is not the product of bourgeois society.
That is incorrect. Human nature is pretty much set, as multiple societies that have attempted to create "New Men" have found out. Among other general rules that have repeatedly proven themselves, people reliably remain self-interested.
I really dont get the right wing hatred of workers having any sort of say in their workplace
May I suggest it is because:
A) this is a false dichotomy between "the proletariat seize and run the means of production" and "workers have zero say in their workplaces" that fails to recognize a wide range of arrangements across different industries and skill sets. As an E3 in the military, I had very little say in what happened in my workplace. As a senior civilian analyst, I had more, and as a project manager, I had more.
B) additionally - and I mean this without acrimony; I like you - you seem to lack a theory of mind for people who are different than you in this way, and appear to be projecting the opposite of your
motives onto those who disagree with your
means.
but i know for damn certain that workers are killing themselves in foxconn factories because they have absolutely no say and capitalism has no answer to it.
1. China is not a free market, nor is it capitalism. It did manage to lift massive numbers of people out of impoverishment by moving in that direction and away from Socialism. However, that country's economy is still very much ruled by the Chinese Communist Party, which is uninterested in either workers' rights or a free market in which large businesses can make decisions that aren't oriented around benefiting the State.
2. Free Market Capitalism, however,
does have an answer, and that answer is: Competition. Businesses have to compete for workers just like they have to bid on all other resources, and allowing people to flow freely creates a market in which businesses are forced to offer better deals to get the better employees. It also creates the additional resources and wealth that allows us to increasingly prioritize things like education, safety, and even leisure.
kffhealthnews.org
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That's what I thought, now go enjoy the amenities afforded to you by capitalism.
