Calm2Chaos said:I believe allowing terrorist and possible terrorist to use our freedoms against us is a threat to our national security. And that if they can make a legitimate argument for looking into a persons email to protect the greater good then so be it. I do not want the government to have sweepeing powers with no oversight. But if the the cause is there I want them to be capable of doing what needed to stop the threat. If your planning harm to this country and or its citizens then I don't see you having any right anyway. If you are an American citizen that is planning on the wholesale murder your neighbors then your life and liberties need to be curtailed severly for the sake of the general public. But whatever the problem, they need to be able to submit a solid case for bypassing certain checks and balances
TimmyBoy said:But these terrorists become more powerful when foreigners see that we are not a free country when such laws that destroy freedom are passed. We lose our moral high ground against these people by destroying the freedom here at home in our efforts to protect ourselves. The best protection we have against the terrorists is by maintaining our freedom here in this country so we maintain our moral high ground and thus prevent future people from joining the terrorists. It is also important to promote freedom abroad. But destroying it here at home will make the terrorists stronger and they will still be able to find ways to attack us. Not only that, in addition to the terrorists, we face inevitability that somebody in government will abuse these new powers and violate the rights of innocent ordinary citizens.
Calm2Chaos said:The moral high ground does nothing for stoping a plane a boat or a car when being used to kill you or your children. The only thing I see empowering these terrorist are our own politians and the people that our media decides to promote. Slandering our presidents and our troops is what emboldens the murderers to strike again.
I see no reason to afford freedom to a person looking to steal the ultimate right of our citizens in a mass attack. The terorrist don't see the patriot act and think there winning. hey hear the likes of cindy shehan saying they aren't terrorist they are freedom fighters and we are the terrorist. Various democratic leaders Calling the president Hitler and our troops nazi's. Thats what is empowering them. Seeing the leaders of this country openly in the media and on TV turn against each other and actualy argue the terrorist cause.
TimmyBoy said:The moral high ground can do alot to stop a plane or boat or car from killing innocent people, because the moral high ground denies the terrorists the people, the recruits and the brainpower, the planning and the will to accomplish such a crime.
M14 Shooter said:It took less than 100 people to plan and execute the WTC attack.
You really think 'taking the moral high ground' (as YOU put it) will deprive the terrorist organizations of their last 100 people?
M14 Shooter said:It took less than 100 people to plan and execute the WTC attack.
MrAchilles said:The Patriot Act should be burned and anyone who speaks of it again should be charged with treason against human rights. This act is just another of the many steps that are being taken to set up a World Government or New World Order for the educated people.
P.S.- W.G. and N.W.O are bad things.
TimmyBoy said:The moral high ground can do alot to stop a plane or boat or car from killing innocent people, because the moral high ground denies the terrorists the people, the recruits and the brainpower, the planning and the will to accomplish such a crime.
Hoot said:100 and 1, counting Bush ignoring all the warnings he was given.
For the record, I voted the Patriot Act be totally and completely abolished. This nation was founded on individual freedoms and the Patriot Act is a direct assault on the Bill of Rights...most especially the right to Due Process.
cnredd said:The Patriot Act was set up as an extension of RICO laws that were earlier passed decades ago to infiltrate the mafia...Anyone who thinks it should be completely abolished should've been having a coniption fit for awhile now...
Are you expecting an intelligent response when using terms like "adolescent liberal drivel", "liberal idiocy" & "traitors"?aquapub said:There are precisely four things one needs know when analyzing adolescent liberal drivel over the Patriot Act:
1) Everything Democrats support works against America and for our enemies.
2) Democrats have sided with every single enemy America has had for the last fifty years (probably more).
3) There is no right to privacy mentioned or implied anywhere in the Constitution, so this hysterics-based pity party Democrats are (and have been) throwing for terrorists who have had to endure the tragedy of airline inconveniences is baseless. The Patriot Act in no way violates the Constitution.
4) Cutting red tape and untying the hands of FBI from liberal idiocy (like Janet Reno's rule against letting the CIA and FBI communicate about terrorists) is critical for our national security.
Get over it, traitors.
:roll:
aquapub said:There is no better way to provide aid and comfort to our enemies than to oppose the Patriot Act. We simply cannot fight terror without roving wire taps, and the ability to get less judicial interference in getting warrants and such. We should have to go through all that red tape for common criminals, but not people trying to commit mass murder.
It's not rocket science.
Calm2Chaos said:Make that 2... Clinton had multiple offers for bin laden and refused....
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