Blackdog, would you support letting people abandon their dog with no food or water in a place that wouldn't cause a nuisance to other people?
Then it becomes a burden to the community and infringes on the rights of someone else.
No it doesn't.
It's your property, so you can let it slowly starve to death. No burden on anyone else.
Right?
Who's getting snippy? You were wrong and your statement is not true. Don't think because I type matter of fact I am getting snippy.
So if I hit your dog over and over to crack it's skull, that is not torture?
Keeping animals locked in tiny pens in there own feces until they are killed is not torture?
Burning monkeys with bleaching products for hair etc is not torture? Heck we need hair care products more than the monkeys.
And yet you justify all the rest?
Please tell me why this woman should have been arrested again?
Again no one has offered any evidence at all as to why this woman should have been arrested for animal cruelty. Yet our own farms and company's do much worse on a daily bases and no arrests.
Yea for personal property rights being ignored! It's a great day for America!
While I find the premise entirely stupid, I don't think there was anything illegal done there. The cats are her property and it wasn't a form of "abuse". I don't think tail docking is considered abuse, and it's worse than piercing a kitten's ears.
Blackdog, would you support letting people abandon their dog with no food or water in a place that wouldn't cause a nuisance to other people?
I was not wrong. It is not only a fact, but a law that you must humanely kill an animal in the meatpacking industry.
Depends on your purpose, but probably no.
Arguably, but I also think animal agriculture needs to be reformed to eliminate unneccesary cruelty.
Yes. Which is why I don't support animal testing for cosmetic purposes. It's not even required by the FDA.
Two wrongs don't make a right?
That is one of many. This makes your overall representation wrong.
So you think beating animals to death is not torture? Interesting.
But it is not happening is it?
And yet no one has been arrested or even charged with a misdemeanor. And yet this woman gets arrested for far less?
God bless bull**** feel good laws that infringe upon our rights.
My point exactly.
One of many whats? Why does the fact that we have laws that prevent cruelty to animals make my representation wrong?
We have animal cruelty laws in this nation for a number of reasons, both practical and moral. Just because we can cause pain and suffering doesn't mean we should. The fact that some industries get a pass, doesn't mean everyone should.
Not according to what I posted.YES, this is what you posted. Your meaning is very plain:
This is stupid. This is not abuse of an animal. We do much worse in the name of fashion, science and food etc.
The animal is her property, she is not putting the animal in any danger or abusing it. The rings do not affect the cat one way or the other.
The people crying about it being abuse in my opinion need to get a grip.
There is no proof her hearing was affected, other than the word of one vet. Who is active with PETA, sorry I will not give her any credibility. And none of the cats at the time were infected. She said there could be a danger from infection. Plenty of cats around with no tails. They jump just fine, I own one or did years ago. So I know her comments for the most part are dramatic bull**** to justify an over reaction by people.
Yes, there is proof. A veterinarian testified that the cats' hearing was effected. She is NOT affiliated with PETA. Apparently you didn't read the article. The person who turned the woman in, who is involved with PETA.
There was infection and the tail docking had nothing to do with her testimony regarding their impaired ability to jump, that had to do with piercings at the base of their tails.
The piercings at the back of their necks and base of tails hampered balance and jumping, local media quoted her as saying.
'They were maimed and disfigured,' she said, adding that if infections had become severe, the three-month-old kittens could have died.
So your attacks on the source have no basis.
Did you know there is a pet store in Bossier City, Louisiana called the "Critter Company" been around since 94. It is known for $25.00 ear piercings for dogs & cats, and the price includes a pair of earrings. Don't see any cops from the SPCA or PETA Reading there store. I wonder shy?
In the end it just does not matter. This woman should not have been arrested or charged.
I called the Critter Co. and no, they do not pierce animals, for $25 or any amount. The store clerk said no and then put me on hold to check. Here's their number if you would like to check: 318-742-9129.
So far you have offered nothing to counter my argument.
Yeah, it would seem I have.
OK I see. You think favoritism under the law is OK. You think infringing on one persons rights is OK under certain circumstances.
Not a problem.
No one has a right to maim or abuse animals.
I think you'll find tail docking is illegal in many countries. As is ear-cutting, which used to be a very common practice with hunting dogs. It's a pretty nasty thing to mutilate an animal for profit. I'm not sure I'd want to push it to the top of a news agenda, but just yuk!
I also find it pretty tasteless and nasty to see very young girls, even babies, with pierced ears. I'm sure that must be illegal somewhere, but here in Spain it's fairly common practice. Double yuk!
You are completely missing my point. The laws are not being enforced evenly. If you are a corporation or an industrial farming complex, it's OK. If you are just an individual, you get arrested.
This is an affront to liberty and justice for ALL concerned.
So you are OK with special laws for some and not others? You are OK with large company's property rights being protected and telling everyone else you will be arrested? Hmmmm..
No wonder Affirmative Action is so popular.
The hurting animals comment is just over the top. No one has suggested that.
It's not the ear piercing itself, it's the object that is attached to the ears. They could cause a small kitty to get hung up in a fence for example, and hurt it's self.
I had a kitten with a flea collar on who got caught in a chain link fence because of the flea collar catching hold of the wire in the fence.
I rescued it and no harm done.
Lol if a cat is retarded enough to rip something out of its ear maybe it needs to be put down --
If something hurts its not going to keep doing it for fun. The only way a cat would rip something out of its ear is by it snagging onto something while it is using lots of momentum or if it freaked out and ripped it out on purpose. No cat is gonna go, "DUR DUR DUR" * tug... "ouch"... *pull.. "ouch".. *Bite a little bit... "ouch that hurt alot"... *BITE IT OFF --
What place would this be? I mean if we are going to play obtuse word games so you can try and make an invalid point.
The middle of the Sahara. Quit dodging.
That would be OK..
I won't explain animal instinct to you but you could google animal chewing it's leg off and you'll find plenty of examples where an animal has removed part of it's body deliberately to get away from something disturbing or hurting itself.
YES, this is what you posted. Your meaning is very plain:
Yes, there is proof. A veterinarian testified that the cats' hearing was effected. She is NOT affiliated with PETA. Apparently you didn't read the article. The person who turned the woman in, who is involved with PETA.
There was infection and the tail docking had nothing to do with her testimony regarding their impaired ability to jump, that had to do with piercings at the base of their tails.
So your attacks on the source have no basis.
I called the Critter Co. and no, they do not pierce animals, for $25 or any amount. The store clerk said no and then put me on hold to check. Here's their number if you would like to check: 318-742-9129.
Yeah, it would seem I have.
No one has a right to maim or abuse animals.
And yet you still get it wrong.
Who said anything about affiliated with PETA? It was not me. I said "Who is active with PETA." And she has worked with them on quite a few occations.
Melinda Merck, DVM, Sr. Director of Veterinary Forensic Sciences for the ASPCA
Dr. Merck frequently testifies as a forensic veterinary expert for animal cruelty cases around the country, including cases involving animal hoarding, dog fighting and animal torture. She most recently was the veterinary forensics expect on the Michael Vick dog fighting case. In addition, she continues to be a veterinary forensics consultant for the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office in Atlanta, Ga., and conducts veterinary forensic examinations for Gwinnett County Animal Welfare Services. Dr. Merck is the author of the textbook, Veterinary Forensics: Animal Cruelty Investigation by Blackwell Publishing and the co-author of the book Veterinary Forensic Investigation of Animal Cruelty: A Guide for Veterinarians and Law Enforcement. She frequently provides training for veterinary and law enforcement professionals nationwide on the use of veterinary medical knowledge in the investigation and prosecution of animal cruelty cases. Dr. Merck lives in Atlanta, Ga., with an assortment of dogs and cats, many rescued from cruelty cases.
Just to let to all know weeman legs are better Thanks to Orrs Animal clinic in Cumming Ga. weeman is training for his first weight pull, one other the other dogs showen in the raid, Skinny (the one JOHN THE TERROist GOODWIN said had a red mark under his chin) he is going for his 4 weight pull he has (since he has been back home) won 3 first place in weight pull 1 2nd place and 1 first place and best in show in conformation show, we are very proud of ours dogs and always will be we are very happy to have them all back at home, our sons and very happy, including all the kids at the ball park,yes our dogs go to the ball park and watch all the kids play ball, they love to be around the kids it was the worst day in our live when they took our dogs I will never forget the day JOHN the terroist GOODWIN stood in my living room and took my dogs!!! a terroist in my home that close to my kids. PLEASE watch out take care of you dogs and protect them from hsus(wait a mintue arent they the ones that should help us),
Thanks Tracy woodall
So what? I highly doubt a 14 gage half moon ring is going to affect the cats ability to jump.
Yes they do. Most of her comments were little more than hyperbole playing on peoples emotions.
Her attorneys argued that parents allow children to get pierced ears at young ages, and it would be wrong to hold cat owners to a higher standard.
"Did you know there is a Boutique pet store in Bossier City, Louisiana called the "Critter Company" that has been established since 1994. It is well-known for pioneering pet care and $25.00 ear piercings for dogs and the price includes a pair of earrings." - Would you pierce your dog or cats ear?
"For those with no objection to their dogs looking prettier than themselves, since 1994, Critter Company has been doing innovative things for pets.
But with the store’s latest dog ear piercing idea, it may be taking unique to the next level.
"It’s something we thought that pet owners might like," said Angela Welch, assistant store manager.
Indeed, a sign in the store says, "Ear piercing, $25 with earrings included." - http://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058695798 This link leads back to a reply on this thread
I think you had better call them back.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
And yet it is going on all over the USA! But only enforceable if you are not rich.
Fact:
A poll was taken by PetPlace.com and only 3% out of 800 people agreed that it should be allowed by pet owners to pierce their pets ear. 96% did not approve of this behavior, and 2% had no opinion. Please, let me know what your opinion is relating to allowing pet owners to be able to pierce their pets ears....
If one is "active" with PETA, they could also be said to be "affiliated" with PETA and whether one uses either term, you are using it to charge guilt by association.
Dr. Merck appears to be well respected:
Meet the Board - Georgia Legal Professionals for Animals
He got all his dogs back:
Are you a vet? Trained in animal anatomy and behavior? The defendant said one of them had torn out a piercing. That had to hurt the cat and so isn't that a clue the animal didn't like it? It's interesting to note that the woman's lawyers could only come up with:
Pretty weak. If there was another vet who could contradict Dr. Merck's testimony, certainly the defense would have put them on the stand.
No, you should call them. I did and they said no, twice.
Apparently, those of us opposed to piercing pets are not alone.
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