barbarian_style
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Yet there is no law against it...
So how would two consenting adults in a hotel room exchanging sex for money hurt YOU?
Oh I disagree...they should ABSOLUTELY be required to carry liability insurance and I guarantee there are professional insurance carriers that would take this on. No different from a massage therapist, professional prostitutes should be licensed, insured, etc.
Yet there is no law against it...
So how would two consenting adults in a hotel room exchanging sex for money hurt YOU?
That said, I don't think it should be illegal. Criminalizing has more bad than good effects. Prostitution is called "the oldest business of all" for a reason: No criminalization effort will always be successful ending it. So we should better try to minimize the damage -- providing a legal frame and controls, for that there is no involuntary prostitution, pimping or human trafficking. The ugly side effects sourrounding illegal prostitution should be dried out. There should be health controls and prostitutes should enjoy the benefits like other employees too.
As long as there is demand, there will be supply, so we better do our best to regulate and control this business instead of leaving it to criminals, including all aforementioned horrible side effects.
I don't see a contradiction to this approach on one side, and campaigns to morally prescribe prostitution. We can do both, legalize the business, but decreasing demand at the same time.
I agree with that. However it SHOULD be noted that today, your average crack ho is having an impact on health care costs.Liability insurance (this doesn't affect me) and health insurance (this does affect me,) they are two different animals.
I agree with that. However it SHOULD be noted that today, your average crack ho is having an impact on health care costs.
Health care costs, they get sick I end up paying, when you start paying taxes and health insurance this becomes clearer.
How is this different from any other profession? If you get a stepladder that straw you are reaching for will be easier to grab...
I am not grasping at straws as prostitution isn't legal and okay with it staying that way. The people reaching for straws are the ones coming at this issues uninformed on over all impacts of others and in what ways. Ignoring these as you plead your case for legalization is digging out the step ladder.
yet the hospitals still have to provide emergent care which they will not be reimbursed for and that will jack up your costs and your premiums. just a basic fact.Again this affect me in a negative way.
Crack is illegal and if you get a disease from these actions you may not qualify for disability insurance and your health care plan may say this falls under your own out of pocket expenses.
Can you give a clearer question on what your insinuating same as other professionals? Pretty vague question I can not answer with information you provided as it being the same.So are you going to answer the question or not?
yet the hospitals still have to provide emergent care which they will not be reimbursed for and that will jack up your costs and your premiums. just a basic fact.
Health care costs, they get sick I end up paying, when you start paying taxes and health insurance this becomes clearer.
Can you give a clearer question on what your insinuating same as other professionals? Pretty vague question I can not answer with information you provided as it being the same.
That doesnt negate the costs incurred and transferred. We arent talking one or two patients a week, month, or even day in the ERs. As for that follow on cost...yes...the hospitals employ social workers to transfer even unfunded patients to state contracted providers and where patients are deemed 'disabled' for whatever reasons those costs are still there and still transferred to others. The costs dont just magically go away. Someone is paying the bills. That is all a departure of course on whether or not prostitution should be legalized.This is the notion that this is always fact, you still need continuous follow up care on disease. You can not go to emergency rooms because you missed you uncovered cancer treatments as an emergency. The big money spent isn't in the urgent care centers it is the continuous care that is needed after the non-emergency, emergency on the disease.
I asked you how two consenting adults exchanging sex for money in a hotel room hurt YOU? You replied "Health care costs, they get sick I end up paying, when you start paying taxes and health insurance this becomes clearer"
Why are you singling out this type of business compared to any other?
That doesnt negate the costs incurred and transferred. We arent talking one or two patients a week, month, or even day in the ERs. As for that follow on cost...yes...the hospitals employ social workers to transfer even unfunded patients to state contracted providers and where patients are deemed 'disabled' for whatever reasons those costs are still there and still transferred to others. The costs dont just magically go away. Someone is paying the bills. That is all a departure of course on whether or not prostitution should be legalized.
There is many things that are singled out as different when it comes to a variety of business, I still see your question as being very vague and unanswerable.
Its not at all the same issue, so of COURSE I dont make the 'same' argument for cocaine.
Jerry...go to any bar or club anywhere in the country on pretty much any given night. Dorm parties.Frat parties. Spring break. People go there for the hookup. Alcohol fueled people trying hookup. Hell...Jimmy and Susie out on a date. Sex is a constant theme. Its out of the bag, and out of the closet. Imagine how much healthier the envioronment would be if Sweatie Stan DIDNT roll up in his pickup, offer 20 bucks for Handjob Hannah on a date behind a dumpster somewhere and instead went to her business, she had him take a shower beforehand, healthy environment for a sexual encounter, he pays $26.47 for the handjob and taxes. Im not trying to be flippant...Im describing a seedy part of our every day life and a MUCH more healthy legal alternative.
Then I guess you shouldn't have answered it the way you did...thanks...
And we DID legalize alcohol as people DID and were drinking anyway. And taxed the hell out of it. In the case of prostitution it is a crime without a victim. We have criminalized a simple and consensual act and driven it into alleys and the underworld. There is no REASON for it to BE illegal.That works both ways. As with alcohol and gambling, the answer to prostitution is not "oh well folks are going to do it anyway". Surly prostitution must have some uniqu merit you would like to speak of.
You assume I'm inexperienced in the world and only object to prostitution because I'm nieve. Gee, thanks.
Guess you might have to dfo a better job with actually pointing out your point. Every job has risks. Insurance policies can be tailored to specifically cover risks. People today get STDs whether they are engaged in the offering or receiving end of prostitution or not. That isnt going to increase and will very likely decrease.It is still an issue you have not addressed as the solution to the problem I described, this above response is just a justification.
Guess you might have to dfo a better job with actually pointing out your point. Every job has risks. Insurance policies can be tailored to specifically cover risks. People today get STDs whether they are engaged in the offering or receiving end of prostitution or not. That isnt going to increase and will very likely decrease.
And we DID legalize alcohol as people DID and were drinking anyway. And taxed the hell out of it. In the case of prostitution it is a crime without a victim. We have criminalized a simple and consensual act and driven it into alleys and the underworld. There is no REASON for it to BE illegal.
As for the second part...geez Jerry...sometimes...how you get from point a to point b is freqin amazing. If I implied somewhere that you were not experienced to the ways of the world I apologize. Not even a little bit my intent.
In fact, people drank more during the prohibition then before or since, even children, which is surprising considering the fact that alcohol related deaths dropped during the prohibition despite the dangers of white lightning and moonshine.And we DID legalize alcohol as people DID and were drinking anyway.
A lot fo countries which thought they were going to reap taxes from prostitutes actually had a deficit in unpaid taxes.And taxed the hell out of it.
A slave is certainly a victim. The majority of prostitutes can not leave and are abused. Most are raped semi-regularly by pimps and johns, are addicted to drugs and suffer from a variety or emotional problems to include PTSD.In the case of prostitution it is a crime without a victim.
Which is where it belongs.We have criminalized a simple and consensual act and driven it into alleys and the underworld.
From a human rights perspective, there can never exist any such a relationship in which a man would purchase and own the body of a woman as a commodity.There is no REASON for it to BE illegal.
Sketching road to go down and for other reasons not mentioned. If it would only come down to the statement of "staying out of people's bedroom of consenting adults."
Let's look at this differently, if you are in a profession that involves your bedroom as an office then you just opened the door to your office for Uncle Sam to look in on his taxable income, not your bedroom door anymore.
Also when addressing other issues such as unemployment, all unemployment then should be denied because it would be tough to prove that no one is willing to haves sex with you for money. The thing is that you can not collect unemployment if you turn down gainable employment. In other words you would have the government now in some control of what you do with your body. Slippery slope folks that's all.
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