As far as waiting until you're an adult to get circumcised, ask anyone that's had their tonsils out in adulthood. It's far more invasive, painful and dangerous than doing it to a child.
Judging by the sanitary habits of today's youth, I can't see them taking the necessary steps to cleanliness.
So... Why? From what I can tell this should be borderline abuse. I mean, after doing my research I've discovered that circumcision doesn't offer any major boons to a person's health, while also lowering a person's ability to feel physical pleasure during intimacy, putting their child though surgery, as well as pain. That being said it's also disfiguring, and the equivalent of ritualistic disfigurement. People are doing this because they think it looks better, and or religious reasons. If lobbing off your arm was a show of religious devotion would your parents be allowed to do this? I know an arm is more important than foreskin, but regardless it's a part of your body. I'm under the impression that as a human I have a right to my body, and my parents shouldn't be allowed to mutilate it because they think it'll look nice, and GAWD wants it. Your not even giving the person the right to make the choice either. Your forcing it upon them, and they are people. Your doing a permanent change to a human being's body that's not needed and actually has lasting effects on them due to someone else's preferences. Explain to me why a person cannot wait until their older, then let their child make the choice? Why does someone's parents get to force this upon someone and literally rob them of intimate pleasure? Why are we allowing people to disfigure their children at birth?
So... Why? From what I can tell this should be borderline abuse. I mean, after doing my research I've discovered that circumcision doesn't offer any major boons to a person's health, while also lowering a person's ability to feel physical pleasure during intimacy, putting their child though surgery, as well as pain. That being said it's also disfiguring, and the equivalent of ritualistic disfigurement. People are doing this because they think it looks better, and or religious reasons. If lobbing off your arm was a show of religious devotion would your parents be allowed to do this? I know an arm is more important than foreskin, but regardless it's a part of your body. I'm under the impression that as a human I have a right to my body, and my parents shouldn't be allowed to mutilate it because they think it'll look nice, and GAWD wants it. Your not even giving the person the right to make the choice either. Your forcing it upon them, and they are people. Your doing a permanent change to a human being's body that's not needed and actually has lasting effects on them due to someone else's preferences. Explain to me why a person cannot wait until their older, then let their child make the choice? Why does someone's parents get to force this upon someone and literally rob them of intimate pleasure? Why are we allowing people to disfigure their children at birth?
What do you feel about piercing girl's ears at 3 months? There is even less benefit to that than circumcision. At least with a circumcision you reduce the risk of infections and diseases. With piercing you actually initially increase the chance of infections until it is healed.
I'm curious what people think about female circumcision too. Many cultural/religious groups regularly practice female circumcision. So why is that a felony, while male circumcision is legal?
Do you support the legality of one but not the other? If so, why?
No, it should be done by a doctor.
I agree ... I tried doing it but the little bugger kept moving and sprayed me a couple of times to boot (so if you insist on doing it, at least wear goggles) ...
Yes, I think they should be allowed. It doesn't cause any serious harm, and if it's going to be done, it's best done as a young child.
I could list more cites, but they pretty much say the same thing. In the second place, among certain religious traditions, it is an important act signifying commitment to their diety and should not be interfered with.
I think it should be done, and support parents who wish to have their male baby's circumcised. In the first place, medical groups still insist the benefits of circumcision for male babys far outweigh the risks.
Benefits of infant circumcision outweigh risks, top pediatrics group says - CNN.com
You are aware that tradition you speak of got started to stop masturbating and to prohibit sex, right? It really had nothing to do with what you're talking about until much much later.
Did you seriously just use risk of disease to remove a part of the body? Why do people consider the risk of disease a good reason to remove a part of the body? How does that even begin to make sense?
It's one thing if it's your body but this is someone else's body and you're basically they don't have the right to risk disease in their lifetime.
Ummm...no I don't think you are correct. Let's look at the Jewish Torah:
"(Genesis 17:10-14) 10 This is My covenant, which ye shall keep, between Me and you and thy seed after thee: every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of a covenant betwixt Me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every male throughout your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any foreigner, that is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised; and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken My covenant."
That sounds like God commanded it of Abraham and his descendants to me, as a sign of commitment to the covenant. Now I am not an expert on world religions but I can hazard a guess that most other religions which advocate circumcision do so for religious reasons, not to prevent little tommy from masturbating or having sex.
Yes I did. Healthy Tonsils are often removed to prevent tonsilitis, healthy Molars have been removed by dentists to prevent certain oral diseases, surgery removes excess body fat from the morbidly obese for health reasons, and I'm sure some medical practitioner can cite other examples.
Parents often do things in the interest of their children's well-being. Just because you don't agree is no reason for them to stop. You do what you want with your own kids. Nobody's arguing with you about how to raise your children, don't presume to dictate what is best for others.
What do you feel about piercing girl's ears at 3 months? There is even less benefit to that than circumcision. At least with a circumcision you reduce the risk of infections and diseases. With piercing you actually initially increase the chance of infections until it is healed.
History says something entirely different. They would use circumcision as a punishment for masturbating and a prevention technique to prevent masturbating and sexual activity. That is the real history behind the practice in the Jewish faith.
Yes, they remove other healthy body parts. What does that prove? Everyone has a right to keep their healthy bodies intact. That obviously includes newborns, children, and adults.
So. YOU. Say. I assume you are Jewish and are speaking with the authority of your faith? I admit I am not, but I am stating what was explained to me by Rabbi's and other Jewish freinds when I asked about it. It is also pretty clear in the text I quoted to you.
It proves (in answer to your prior statement) that it IS being done and by sane and rational people. As for "rights," adults may chose whatever they wish, newborn babies do what their parents decide. Children? I have no experience with children getting circumcisions but I guess it occurs. I guess I'm on the fence about that until I am better informed.
No, I'm not jewish. I'm just speaking about the history of the practice. It was common practice where the parents would catch the boy masturbating and as punishment and to avoid it from happening again they would drag the boy out of his room and clip it off.
Yes, children get it done all the time. Doctors regularly decide to remove the foreskin on a small boy when all that is needed is a tiny cut or some adjustment. If you have a boy it's advisable to understand the situation before going in because doctors will recommend removal for little reason.
As for the rights, well, usually speaking parents can do whatever they want to children, but I find the laws assessment of the situation faulty. Instead of saying everything is allowed besides this list they should base what is allowed on medical necessity. Due to the right of the child to have their body intact.
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