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Should more countries recognize Taiwan as the Republic of China?

Should Taiwan be recognized as an independent nation, the Republic of China?

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Should the Biden Administration propose to champion freedom of democracy by recognizing Taiwan as an independent nation, the Republic of China? After all, the People's Republic of China committed a violent insurrection and overturned the results of the 1947 election which made Chiang Kai-Shek President of the Republic of China. Mao Tse Tung incited the insurrection, which succeeded in crushing the elected leaders of China at the time.

Thereafter, there was the purge and Cultural Revolution, where the usurpers under Mao murdered 60 to 100 million people.

To this day, the insurrectionists in China maintain iron-fisted control, and there are no human rights afforded to the people, no freedom of speech or the press or assembly. And minority groups like the Uyghurs are held in camps by the millions.

The nation is systemically racist, limiting immigration from foreign lands and minimizing the presence of non-Chinese peoples such that the people in China often have never met a black person at all.

Any truly Progressive leadership should really be sanctioning China heavily, and demanding that they respect international norms and customs. It is time they restored democratic control and the rightful leadership of the Republic of China - the glorious Republic of China which was instrumental in creating the League of Nations, fought side by side with the Allies in World War 2 and opposed the fascists in Japan, Germany and Italy. Loyal friends, and yet we let the evil Richard Nixon pull the rug out from under the ROC, and recognize the human rights abusers in the People's Republic of China, for money, for trade, and for capitalism.....
 

The US absolutely should demand China respect international norms and customs; after all, the PRC is committing genocide. But demanding Taiwan get to take over the mainland is a foolish pipe dream that not even the Taiwanese care about at this point.
 

Yes. Taiwan is a de facto independent and sovereign nation with no interest in re-uniting or dominating the mainland. They should be recognized and the United States should lead that effort.
 
YES, of course.

It IS the Republic of China (as opposed to that dastardly "People's [yeah!] Republic of China" on the mainland).

But other nations are interested in what all of us are forced to be interested in: money.

So they will kowtow to the tyrants of Beijing.

Americans, of course, are in no position to criticize others. Look at how American athletes, movie stars, businessmen, and the son of a certain old man will do anything to ingratiate themselves with the tyrants.
 
Felis Leo said:
Yes. Taiwan is a de facto independent and sovereign nation with no interest in re-uniting or dominating the mainland. They should be recognized and the United States should lead that effort.
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Not in our hemisphere of influence. Taiwan is part of China, they will be reunited.

We need to proceed with this understanding.
 
We're China's biggest customer. If they invade, China will have major economic problems and the US will have massive supply chain problems. Sounds like a lose / lose.
 
The Western world and similar democracies need to massively reduce their reliance on Russia and China. Remove their leverage so that not conforming to international norms carries an enforceable cost. Russia is, too their seeming surprise, feeling that cost now, and they have massively messed up their economic future. The world needs to move China into a similar space where they can punish unwarranted aggression etc without self destructing. As by far the major western economy, and Chinas biggest market, the US needs to lead this effort. It's good to see that they have started those steps.
 


So you want to make it so countries that invade, bomb, plan coups get punished by the international community?
 
One day we will have to pick a side. “Will defend and one China“ is unsustainable.
 
Rexedgar said:
One day we will have to pick a side. “Will defend and one China“ is unsustainable.
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It is not unsustainable.

Taiwan declaring independence will result in war, 100 % guarantee.

The status quo will not. Taiwan operates as if it is independent, China pretends it is not
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So you want to make it so countries that invade, bomb, plan coups get punished by the international community?
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A little too broad. Coups are more an internal issue unless they turn to genocide etc. "Bomb" needs context. Invade is a complicated issue. Invade a non aggressive neighbor for it's land or wealth etc, then yes to punishment. Invade to prevent a genocide or threats to other countries etc is an act assessed on it's merits.

If you are trying to obliquely reference the messy US history in this 'area' then there are certainly questionable actions to discuss.
 
My view. From a historical, geographic and political perspective Taiwan should reintegrate back into China. Best case scenario would be that there is a peaceful settlement based on mutual benefits for both sides.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
It is not unsustainable.

Taiwan declaring independence will result in war, 100 % guarantee.

The status quo will not. Taiwan operates as if it is independent, China pretends it is not
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Someone is going to stop pretending one of these days.
 
Many coups have been planned, organized and undertaken by foreign governments seeking to have " friendly " governments installed in those countries. They seek and pay off opposition leaders to start the coup.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The US absolutely should demand China respect international norms and customs; after all, the PRC is committing genocide. But demanding Taiwan get to take over the mainland is a foolish pipe dream that not even the Taiwanese care about at this point.
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Well, if Taiwan were recognized as independent, that by itself gives them no right to invade in the Mainland. The government in Taipei would not have to not simply recognized as the legitimate government of the island nation, but as the legitimate representative government of China as a whole. Even people on the mainland sick of the CCP aren't going to do that.
 
Perhaps that's an issue that should be decided by Taiwan.


Majority support ‘status quo,’ poll shows​

Sun, Nov 21, 2021

The majority of respondents in a survey about Taiwan-China relations support maintaining the “status quo” across the Taiwan Strait, the Mainland Affairs Council said on Thursday.

In a poll of 1,072 people, 84.9 percent said they supported maintaining the “status quo” between Taiwan and China, while 6.8 percent said that Taiwan should declare independence as soon as possible and 1.6 percent said they supported unification with China.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/11/21/2003768230
 
Currently the Taiwanese government officially sees itself as the ruler of Mainland China.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Currently the Taiwanese government officially sees itself as the ruler of Mainland China.
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Do they? I thought that ended after Chiang Kai-shek's son Chiang Ching-kuo died. I have not seen any such assertion maintained by the Taiwanese that their government is the legitimate government for all of China.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
It is not unsustainable.

Taiwan declaring independence will result in war, 100 % guarantee.

The status quo will not. Taiwan operates as if it is independent, China pretends it is not
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And stuff like Pelosi's visit, or Biden's decision to break with his predeccessor's strategic ambiguity will not help the status quo.
 
dmpi said:
My view. From a historical, geographic and political perspective Taiwan should reintegrate back into China.
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Why? Why should a economically dynamic law-governed democratic republic integrate into a stagnating autocracy?

dmpi said:
Best case scenario would be that there is a peaceful settlement based on mutual benefits for both sides.
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Yes. Where China recognizes that it cannot take Taiwan by force and agrees to let it go.
 
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Felis Leo said:
Why? Why should a economically dynamic law-governed democratic republic integrate into a stagnating autocracy?



Yes. Where China recognizes that it cannot take Taiwan by force and agrees to let it go.
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Good luck with that. What's probably gonna happen is China and the US continue their game of cat and mouse, until either China has achieved their domestic goals and feels confident of a military success, or the US/Taiwan crosses one too many red lines.
 
Ideally Taiwan will be recognized when the PRC collapses into the dustbin of history.
 
The way to solve the problem without war is for the US to open the gates to the Taiwanese people and let them come here. As a group, they are intelligent, extremely productive, and would provide enormous benefits to the USA. The first 5 million would likely be the creme de la creme. We should do the same with Hong Kong.
 
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