What would you do if you found out about someone you work with who was raping children?
If I found out in the exact same circumstances? I tell whoever told me that they needed to call the cops and then I'd ask them why they didn't have the nads to stop it.
Why stop there?the fact that the grad student told Paterno and not the cops is relevent. If you want to blame someone for "not doing more"...blame him
I would assume they didn't have the nads because they didn't give a **** - and I'd do the right thing. I wouldn't ask them to do the right thing, I would assume that responsibility and make them participate.
Why stop there?
Holy crap. No one bothered involving the police for quite some time. A lot of heads should roll. A lot.Grand Jury info: http://media.philly.com/documents/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf (WARNING: EXPLICIT)
DON'T read it if you have a weak stomach. It's awful. I hesitate to even pass it around, but it's part of the public record, now. Paterno knew, at least to some extent. He reported it, but not to the police. A bunch of people turned a blind eye. What is wrong with people? If you see something wrong - stop it from happening!
According to the PA law, ( and common sense), everyone who heard about it had a responsibility to inform the appropriate agencies. None of them did.he is the one who witnessed the act. his is the ultimate responsibilty to report it.
Holy crap. No one bothered involving the police for quite some time. A lot of heads should roll. A lot.
And you would continue to work with the perp in question as if nothing had happened?If I found out in the exact same circumstances? I tell whoever told me that they needed to call the cops and then I'd ask them why they didn't have the nads to stop it.
Why McQueary's dad? Isn't he in the same category as Paterno in you book?especially McQueary's and his daddy's. but, of course, they aren't famous and don't make nearly as interesting headlines
According to the GJ report, informing the DA isn't what PA law requires. They all had a legal obligation to notify the Department of Public Welfare within 48 hours.The emotional rush to judgment in this thread is quite fascinating... and a perfect example why emotion should be severely limited, if not entirely eliminated, from legal and non-legal justice.
I tend to agree with Oscar, though not entirely. The people who say and/or imply that Paterno did nothing are absolutely factually wrong. The question is, did he do enough? Now I read that the DA did hear of it, somehow, and that they chose to do nothing. Yet some people are foaming at the mouth that a DA was contacted instead of the police. As a friend of mine used to say, that's picking bird **** out of horse ****. It's not the military, there is no proper "chain of command", and any charges would have gone through the DA anyway. If the DA thought it worthy, they could have referred it back to the police.
People are emotional because kids are involved. I get that. Don't let your emotion cloud your otherwise good judgment. Don't be willing to hang 100 people in the hopes you get the relative few who actually are responsible for prolonging the situation. That may feel good in the short run, but that's not justice, either.
Why should Paterno be excluded from the "anger" ?exactly, all this anger directed at Paterno and hardly any directed at the one guy who could have actually done something about it. My question is, how long did the guy wait before he told Paterno about it? I haven't seen a timeline of the events. was it the same day? was it the next day? was it the next week?
They failed in that even. They did not comply with the law according to the GJ.It just appears that everyone did the least they had to do required by law to cover their own asses and hope that the alleged perpetrator never got caught so the school and all involved didn't get hung out to dry.
According to the PA law, ( and common sense), everyone who heard about it had a responsibility to inform the appropriate agencies. None of them did.
On November 7, Pennsylvania state police Commissioner Frank Noonan said that Paterno fulfilled his legal obligation to report suspected abuse,
I do believe that Joe Paterno should most likely retire due to age, not this scandal of which he is not guilty of doing anything other than reporting it to the wrong people.
Apparently it's not that he reported it to the wrong people, he failed his affirmative legal duty to report it to the right people.I think he did what he was required by law to do. Whether he stays or goes makes no difference to me, he did what he had to do, arguing that he should have done more is a judgement call, not a legal call.
Apparently it's not that he reported it to the wrong people, he failed his affirmative legal duty to report it to the right people.
None of that whole crew did what they were required to do by law.
That depends on how one defines "authorities." The GJ found that the school did not report it to the people they were legally obligated to report it to.I know this is an emotional issue, but that is no reason to resort to falsehood. Paterno told his boss the AD who reported it to the authorities.
Umm, yes. Why on earth wouldn't we fire and prosecute people who molest children?If we "fire " him, should we fire 10,000 Catholic priests as well...
the Grand jury disagrees with this assessment.Yes, it was the bare minimum required of him.
Paterno did the bare minimum of what was required of him, and that was it.
and the appropriate state agencies.He was required to notify his superior.
There's already been a Grand Jury investigation.I'm thinking we need to wait until all the information has been gathered before making any definitive statements. I'm betting that this gets really ugly and that nobody is going to end up trying to defend anyone involved.
Did someone say that he didn't?If Paterno had a moral obligation to report the incident to the cops, why didn't McQueary's father (who knew about it 10-12 hours before Paterno) have the same obligation?
no, in fact the hypocrites were in such a rush to crucify Paterno that McQueary's father was never even mentioned. even though he was the first one to be informed.Did someone say that he didn't?
I didn't say that they didn't report it. I merely repeated what the Grand Jury investigation said which is that it wasn't reported to the appropriate agencies.wrong. I wish people would stop saying that nobody reported this
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